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Win 3 Holland seeds with the great 2145 McMullen genetics. We will be issuing tickets for a special drawing. 1 ticket for each $50. of your order for giant pumpkin growing supplies. As an example, a grower placing a $200. order would receive 4 tickets for the drawing. Each order is a separate transaction, we won't be keeping track of cumulative totals on multiple orders through the season. We will start issuing tickets on orders received between Feb. 3, 2018 and Oct. 31, 2018. Drawing held on Nov. 1, 2018 and the winner announced at that time.

See all our giant pumpkin growing supplies at www.hollandsgiants.com Our new 2 hour DVD "How I Grew A World Champion Pumpkin of 2363 lbs. in 2017" has been selling great! Get your DVD today.

Thank You, Joel & Mari Lou Holland

2/2/2018 9:35:50 PM

Grittyville, WA

Do you have pics of your smaller kins, please?

2/3/2018 4:17:01 AM

Rhode Island

I will stay with the Wow Products.

2/3/2018 8:00:14 AM

Grittyville, WA

I’m sure your products are good I think the real problem here is this is not legal in Washington state. The legislature permits two out of three gambling definitions but you have got all three here. Bummer.

2/3/2018 8:45:36 AM

Grittyville, WA

http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.46.0356

Promote your good business in a way legal and fun for everyone...

2/3/2018 8:55:55 AM

Washington State

This is not a pay for ticket raffle, have done it in the past with no problem, geez. This is a long winter!

2/3/2018 12:33:29 PM

Grittyville, WA

ML JH... Can you think of a different way to set up the raffle? The way it is right now it’s not legal.

2/3/2018 2:45:40 PM

Grittyville, WA

We have a great community of growers who like to have fun and who are very interested in your products... please reach out to the community for ideas on how to have a fun promotional give-away. Legally, for profit businesses can’t have games of chance where a purchase is necessary. Sorry!!!

2/3/2018 3:03:34 PM

Williamsport

if you read it right its not a raffle, its a free bonus to get some seeds. that's how I read it. you spend 50 dollars you get a ticket with your name on it.

2/3/2018 3:21:28 PM

stoughton WI

That's how I read it to, a "fun promotional give-away" to the lucky person or persons, who buy there products.

2/3/2018 4:01:25 PM

Princeville, IL

He is not selling raffle tickets so I see no problem. You are getting a chance for bonus product ( seeds) when you order his products.
Agree it's getting to be a long winter on here.

2/3/2018 4:02:11 PM

Grittyville, WA

Ugh yeah... buzzkill glen takes on Joel Holland... Lol.

2/3/2018 5:08:46 PM

Upa Creek, MO

What a Debbie Downer, bet you’re fun at parties. How did you sign up to be a BP cop?

2/3/2018 6:12:07 PM

Lexington, Ky

Dude asks for pics of smaller pumpkins then turns internet cop, wtf?!

2/3/2018 10:01:08 PM

Zimmerman, Minnesota

Yea this is great, if this is the illegal there’s something messed up with your state.... I watch people piss away dollar after dollar after dollar on these lottery games at they have a one in 10 trillion chance of winning... all this is ...is we need product anyways and we might get a little bonus with. I see much more wrong with the first picture then the second. I suppose you can’t play Texas hold’em with friends and do a $25 buy in???? Like I said great idea!!!

2/3/2018 11:49:46 PM

Welterweights, Wa

You guys are kidding me right? Joel is highly competent. If he wants to promote his business he can do so legally. Showing pictures of his smaller (but maybe very good crosses) would help. Raffles are legal for clubs and non-profits like the gpc. They are illegal for businesses in the manner (clearly described!!!!) here, where a purchase is necessary to enter.

To let this continue is a unfair to the clubs and gpc and the other businesses lawfully trying to promote themselves on here. It’s wrong. It’s illegal. And up till now I’ve been pointing it out in the nicest way that I possibly can.

I’m sorry for downing u guys. This the end of this raffle. Holland’s can come up with a different & better idea.

Officer Buzzkill Brandon
BP Law Enforcemt Team

2/4/2018 12:14:46 AM

Welterweights, Wa

I agree Farmer Brown. The state should not be making money off the very things it makes illegal for anyone else. Total hypocrisy.

2/4/2018 12:16:22 AM

Welterweights, Wa

Oops looks like my undercover blossom-grow-operation is blown...

2/4/2018 12:19:42 AM

Upa Creek, MO

lol, Glenomkins is Blossomdownster, great job logging in under name 2 to support yourself. Stop being a downer and let Holland have their drawing.

It’s like Finkle is Einhorn all over again.

2/4/2018 9:00:49 AM

NE Wisconsin

Well that escalated quickly....

I have a few online sports bets on the Super Bowl tonight, but I don't expect the FBI or gaming commission to be at my house tomorrow. Although if they do I'll know who sent them, lol.

If you research and quote state statutes to try to stop someone from giving away 3 free pumpkin seeds, you have WAY too much time on your hands.

Saying it's unfair to clubs and GPC is a complete joke. Joel and growers like him getting their seeds into the hands of others for free or drastically below cost (2363) is what keeps the GPC and clubs going. You are causing issues over the wording of it. Hopefully Joel still is willing to give away a few "customer appreciation gifts" randomly.

Can't wait to see how Joel's blossom down entry turns out.

2/4/2018 9:04:25 AM

Wisconsin

Glenmokins in the Holland dvd he shows your pumpkin and I beleive he says congrats to the clayton family, pretty nice of him to do that, then you turn around and take a shit on him. Not cool

2/4/2018 12:43:37 PM

Weatherman

This site is amazing yesterday I learned how to do my own income tax, today I learned all about gambling.

2/4/2018 2:17:00 PM

Grittyville, WA

I respect Joel... maybe that’s why I was bothered by this post. Anyhow I love that this site lets everyone express their opinions. The opinions Yes Joel and Mary Lou have been kind to me, and if they feel like I am attacking them personally then that’s my bad.

I seem to be rubbing everyone the wrong way. It’s a petty technical issue, which i felt was worth pointing out, nothing more. Everyone is spot on with their criticisms of me more or less.

Let’s get back to achieving great things, like Joel.

2/4/2018 3:29:15 PM

Grittyville, WA

Joel is very honest and upfront and does care about your success as a grower.

2/4/2018 3:32:52 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

Glen, please let us "all" know if this is the first time you have pulled these disturbing conundrums? Sorta thinkin that you have tried to "Stir the Pot" on previous occasions? PLEASE let us know...1. Have YOU done this before? 2. WHY? Peace, Wayne

2/5/2018 1:32:55 AM

Grittyville, WA

Off topic... Wayne... If you want to start a discussion about me I would ask that you make your own new post on the main board.

2/5/2018 5:37:34 AM

Syracuse, NY

judging by how these arguments not only START, but ESCALATE and everybody's...well, i remember how I USED to be on here and I stopped myself from saying the rest;

hey, Joel, my buddy, maybe the offer should run from now until like April 25th when everybody is anxious to plant those seeds in '18 while there's the highest incentive to do so---them're MY 2 cents, lol---eg

2/5/2018 6:13:46 AM

Syracuse, NY

oh, i guess it works out better for the offering party if the offer lasts as long as possible, like a bond or treasury note, ALSO which i know nothing about, lol---continue-on----eg

2/5/2018 6:36:07 AM

Colorado

I'm guessing the 2363 seed is gonna do very well this year-prob. gonna be in bigger demand this fall.I know I'm giving it a go.

2/7/2018 3:08:59 PM

[email protected]

Ya heard that too Lots of heavy hitter planting it, so it will be proven. Wallace talk highly about it, Stelts has mentioned it. So come October, look out

2/7/2018 4:43:56 PM

Mulino, Oregon

Wallace, Stelts & La Rue this seed could go big fast!

2/7/2018 4:46:59 PM

Santa Rosa, CA.

2145 cross that went 11% over chart. Everything I’m looking for.

2/7/2018 10:03:52 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

Glen (Mr. Buzzkill)...as if your post about legality wasn't off topic? Peace, Wayne

2/8/2018 2:02:07 AM

Ct

Well I just added two more to my ignore list on this site.
And neither of them were Joel Holland.

2/8/2018 6:10:59 AM

Lexington, Ky

I get that PG, the conversation was pretty much over yet one member keeps stirring the pot...twice.....lol

2/8/2018 6:23:32 AM