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Omaha, Ne.

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=209831

9/26/2013 4:47:21 PM

Omaha, Ne.

it means. Or have some numbers I could use as a guide line. Thanks <]:)

oops

9/26/2013 4:48:27 PM

Eurasia

Hi,

if you do not hate me too much, you could accept that i say: this compost in your diary today is an "anti-fertilizer" in the sense of N-eater.
We say anti-fertilizer cause you have to add nitrogen now for the compost itself, if you do not want N-robbery during the growing season.
If you use Holland´s Myccorhizae soil inoculant, this for a compost pretty low phosphorus level is ok.,
but if not, you should add more phosphites than potassium, which is low too.
Ca and Mg are not too much: you should add both next spring and not with the compost now,
if your soil pH is lower than 6.3 or 6.5 depending on the effect of so much Iron in this compost.
Where does this muck come from?
If it is from Omaha, you should also assay lead contamination.
Where comes so much ash from? Iron, yes. but 66% ash is far too much!
Please do not muck this compost, when it is contaminated with lead.
Oh yes, you could think that lead makes your AG heavier, but Pb for lead does not mean personal best.
Pb (plumbum) is poisonous to pumpkins and you should not eat vegetables from a ground in Omaha, that is still contaminated with lead.
Do you know this:
http://www.epa.gov/superfund/eparecovery/omaha.html
You have some boron in this compost, and that could mean that ther is lead too.
So please assay Pb.

Have a nice weekend,

Ludwig Ammer
aka amelio or pumplobster

9/26/2013 6:56:24 PM

Rapid City, SD

9/26/2013 7:26:17 PM

British Columbia, Canada

9/26/2013 7:27:19 PM

Torrance, Ca.

9/26/2013 8:28:13 PM

SE Minnesota

9/26/2013 9:24:36 PM

Ohio

LoL

9/26/2013 9:47:23 PM

Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

Yeah what he said...like anyone would ever listen to that

9/26/2013 9:54:51 PM

Connellsville, Pa

amelio is back ?????!!!!!?????

9/27/2013 8:25:48 AM

Farming- a bunch of catastrophies that result in a lifestyle

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9/27/2013 9:09:15 AM

Pemberton, BC

Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water!!

9/27/2013 9:58:38 AM

Massachusetts

9/27/2013 10:19:19 AM

Honesdale, Pennsylvania

Drop kick me Jesus through the goal posts of life....he's got it.

9/27/2013 11:08:29 AM

Home of happy lil plants

I'm just over here like I like big pumpkins

9/27/2013 3:22:51 PM

Johnston, Iowa

http://cheezburger.com/979228928

9/27/2013 4:18:07 PM

Fairfield, CT, 06825

Hey NED: "I don't care if it rains our freezes, as long as I have that plastic Jesus sitting below the dash board of my car. I can drive one hundred thousand mile per hour, as long as high have almighty power" Good memories

9/27/2013 4:36:07 PM

BC, Canada

where did this Muck come from?
ESL?
Darren, ever think about taking up bonsai? I mean with that soil............

9/27/2013 8:18:51 PM

Johnston, Iowa

I've got a sucky little backyard patch, but at least I'm not sitting on a Superfund site. Sorry Darren :-)

9/27/2013 10:50:09 PM

Omaha, Ne.

Dear Ludwig I don't hate you. I do respect you. The same way I have respect for a tornado. I wish there was a way that you can share your knowledge. Without taring the place apart and monopolizing every tread with your abrasive overtones. I think I'll just find a hill and watch the chaos.

9/28/2013 1:08:13 AM

anytown U.S,A,

Has anyone even looked at the compost test numbers or even tried to answer his question? This man is looking for help and his post has been hijacked by meaningless stuff.

9/28/2013 5:45:40 AM

Muddy Waters

What Lab is this from?Call them to explain the #s.I feel like a dog looking at a card trick.lol Its very edmacational to talk to these lab X spurts.I have learned a ton this year talking to John at Western Labs.

9/28/2013 6:14:21 AM

Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

A compost test is done different than a soil test. It gives you percentages. Sort of like fertilizer.

9/28/2013 8:01:52 AM

Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

So if I read this correctly it would have a nutrient value of .8-.3-.7 fertilizer

9/28/2013 8:11:07 AM

Upa Creek, MO

I don't think Ludwig was being disrespectful in this post. Not saying he hasn't in the past, but a lot can be misinterpreted when English is not your first language. Sorry Darren, I have no input but hopefully you got an email or 2.

9/28/2013 9:51:59 AM

BC, Canada

Splicer, you said it right,
Darren, here are a couple of links to pages that give a little info about compost test. I have tested compost in the past but I think that once it is spread and tilled into the soil would be a more valuable time for a test. Most backyard gardeners don't generate enough volume to significantly change the soil but on this list we probably have, like myself, compost fanatics. When I talk gardening to people I always say remember your ABCs, Always Be Compsting. I have my chicken yard pile, the seaweed pile and the vegetable matter pile. I also compost directly with grass cuttings on berries and grass/leafs in fall over favas and garlic. I love compost.
Anyway, sorry for not being more useful early, here are those links;
http://vric.ucdavis.edu/events/2009_osfm_symposium/UC%20Organic%20Symposium%20010609%2005b%20Hartz.pdf

http://ohioline.osu.edu/anr-fact/0015.html

9/28/2013 11:48:44 AM

BC, Canada

PS
I also remember that Cornell has a great paper on compost that you could probably Google easily.

9/28/2013 11:52:45 AM

Glosta

Ok Darren here's a litle insight into the results. It is relatively easy if you dont let it intimidate you. To the far right is a column listed as lbs of element per ton.

SO lets take into consideration the weight of compost now. on average it ranges from 800-1600 lbs per cubic yard. the general average is 1400 lbs per yard based on moisture content. you can easily measure yours to get a rough idea. build a 1ft x 1ft x 1ft box and pack the compost into the box fairly well you have to think when compost sits in a pile it compacts under its own weight. so then weigh the box with compost in it and then subtract the weight of the box. now take the compost weight and multiply it by 27. there are 27 cubic feet in a cubic yard.

so now you know the weight of your compost per yard. so lets say you add 1 yard of compost and the weight is 1400 lbs per yard. take 1400 and divide by 2000. then multiply the element lbs per ton by the result.

lets take nitrogen. the equation would look like this

1400/2000= .7
Nitrogen lb/ton 9.6 x .7= 6.72 lbs of nitrogen in a yard of compost.

9/29/2013 4:03:32 AM

Glosta

so taking the average of 1400 lbs per yard of compost I ran the numbers in your test. Here is the lbs of element per yard of compost

Nitrogen = 6.72
Phos (P2O5) = 2.52
Calcium = 23.24
Potassium (K2O) = 6.02
Magnesium = 4.06
Manganese = .49
Zinc = .21
Iron = 11.13

9/29/2013 4:07:57 AM

anytown U.S,A,

Thanks Bryan for answering the question and making it easier for all of us to understand.

9/29/2013 7:57:06 AM

Torrance, Ca.

Very cool Bry, very cool!!! Even I almost understood that,,,,,,

And that's saying a lot ;)

9/29/2013 10:57:49 AM

Omaha, Ne.

Thanks everyone I got some great advice. Some I understood (Thanks Bry) more then others. Such a wide range of comments. Each one is what I love about this site. Even you Luwig I didn't take your comment as disrespectful and I except your apology. lol. It always good to know when your going to die of lead poisoning. even if they found no real large contamination. O well the EPA has to get funded some how.

9/29/2013 8:42:42 PM

Eurasia

http://www.oberton.org/wolfgang_saus/130927_jg1_kyllburg.html
Dear Darren C, please hear this overtones. My little son already amuses people in the noiseless modern train, when he makes the noise of older and steam powered trains all together with his abrasive overtones.

9/30/2013 4:42:17 AM

Eurasia

Oh, i don´t know, where in Omaha you live and grow, but lead is a big old problem there, while decontamination runs in the first place 2004.

9/30/2013 4:56:39 AM

Eurasia

The first link of cavitysearch shows you that there should be not more then 10% of nitrogen in it´s mineral form. I would say: but you should have 5 to 10 %!
Your compost has 100 % organic and non inorganic.
So I clearly see that your compost is a N-eater!
You should add crude calcium cyanamide before the winter: a layer of 20 cm compost and then a thin layer of calcium cyanamide, 20 cm compost + calcium cyanamide, 20 cm compost + calcium cianamide... up to a maximal hight of 7 such layers of compost or 5´.

9/30/2013 5:45:31 AM

Omaha, Ne.

Luwig How did you growing go sense we last talked. Have you grown any AG's?

9/30/2013 8:07:11 PM

Eurasia

Oh yes, Darren. And I still grow such AGs to crossbreed them with edible C. maxima pumpkins. I always said that I would never compete with heavy hitters for myself.
If you think that 5% ammonium-N of all N would be too much for pumpkins, I tell you this: your composs C:N ratio is too high, and so next summer AG would suffer the lack of nitrogen, when all mineralized N will be absorbed by this thirsting compost. By the way, I grow AGs with a weight:space ratio of more than 3! The half ton club grows something around 1 to 2. How is your weight:space, Darren?Please take weight in lb and devide it through space of foliage and fruit in squarefeet. If you grow 14 hundred lbs. on 14 hundred squarefeet, your w/s ratio is 1. When you grow 1000 lbs. on 350 squarefeet, you might compete in my game.

10/1/2013 2:07:16 AM