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Simi valley, ca

serenade ingredient is qst 713 strain of bacillus subtilis 1.3% AND companion ingredient is bacillus subtilis GB03*.03% So could serenade do the same thing for our soils as companion ?? serenade is ment to be sprayed on though ?

6/5/2013 11:02:46 PM

BC, Canada

As I understand it there are many strains of Bacillus subtillus.
I use Serenade a lot, haven't used Companion. The Companion literature does put it forward as an anti-fungal, same as Serenade. I see that the Companion write up also says that it can be used with other fungicides and makes them more effective when used at their lower rates of application. I have found this true with Serenade and potassium bicarbonate, they work well together and you seem to need less of both.
This is a heavily studied bacterium.
But you do have to read this;
http://rense.com/general4/bac.htm
Nazis, camels and Bacillus subtillus.
Sorry I couldn't help,

6/6/2013 3:07:43 AM

Picton,ON ([email protected])

I also use Serenade. I find its an excellent product. I add to my compist tea at the end of the brew and apply through the irrigation.

6/6/2013 7:56:00 AM

Simi valley, ca

Thanks for the responses ,I am mostly wondering if the serenade could be soil drenched like the companion ,for prevention of soil diseases , It is meant to be sprayed on foliar , But if drenched in soil, would it also help soil diseases ?

6/6/2013 11:33:14 AM

Corvallis, OR

There is a formulation of Serenade called Serenade Soil, which is also B. subtillis at 1.3%. Not sure how it differs from the foliar Serenade. I've never used foliar Serenade, but the Serenade Soil has stinky yeasty microbial smell.

Serenade is a different strain of bacteria than Companion, so it won't perform exactly the same, but will probably have some disease suppression as a soil drench.

What are you applying it for?

Remember, pesticide labels are the law, but if you already have a big jug of it...

6/7/2013 3:22:45 AM

BC, Canada

Jyreo
Thanks for that posting. I did not know. Great. I just read the label and test performance data. Very impressive. I assume it is very similar in action to Companion, at least in the intended action and benefit. Different bacteria, QST 713 strain of dried
Bacillus subtilis*.
I doubt that it is labeled or available in Canada but I will do a mail order and try some and/or Companion and see what happens. Here on the WEsT coast we constantly fight blight on tomatoes. I see that the target pathogens are the common problem fungus.
And again, Thanks to all of you who research and post the information we all learn from here on BP. I have this idea that I am a very knowledgeable gardener (age is the reason) but I am constantly learning from you. !

6/7/2013 11:45:39 AM