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Wondering how many people using it for the first time,saw an improvment in their weights (pumpkins that is) I know Chris Delaney ( Pickering Chris )did , he set a new Ontario record 1684 +18%. But he also put in a lot of good work. So I wonder, how much of a part the syrup played? Anyone else? Terry

12/4/2012 8:04:18 PM

Mass

no way to tell, but i used it in my compost tea this year

12/4/2012 8:42:17 PM

Upa Creek, MO

I used it as a drench, but my year was a write off regardless.

12/4/2012 9:15:22 PM

South East

our daughter drenches her pancakes with it,,and we see a slight increase in weight.

12/4/2012 9:25:44 PM

Freedom Is Just Another Word For Noting Left To Lose

lol

12/4/2012 9:37:17 PM

Mill Bay, British Columbia

I think the only Maple syrup that Heavy D uses is on his double stack of pancakes in the morning.

12/4/2012 9:50:29 PM

43.841677 , -79.086692

I bet I'm the only guy around that applies maple syrup to my flap jacks via backpack sprayer. Great coverage! :-)

12/4/2012 9:54:45 PM

Mnt.pleasant ,tennessee

Lol yaw so silly

12/4/2012 11:11:49 PM

Lodi, California

Yea, I applied as a drench. Also the 1818 was grown wth it

12/5/2012 12:22:26 AM

Ontario, Canada.

Terry, ya know I am a big fan of it.

1. It is a great source of natural sugar. The sugar is fructose which is easier to be consumed by the soils bio-community.

2. Loaded with concentrated in uptakable forms minerals including mg.

3. Possible emergent PGR's as well. I am still researching this claim.

4. The added bonus in using Bud Maple Syrup is it's free radical fighting ability. It slows & prevents cellar DNA damage thereby delaying the onset of senescence.

12/6/2012 6:03:42 AM

Saegertown Pa.

Russ
How should it be applied, foliar or drench or both ? and how often ?

12/6/2012 7:45:15 AM

Ontario, Canada.

Quinn based on the facts I have and others within the GVGO are using it both ways. There are most likely a few guys using it by foliar only. My use would be the same a molasses every 7 to 10 days. Can be used in teas as well.

My first research efforts into Maple Syrup started simply with its soil applied benefits and the fructose content. This graduated into researching High Fructose Corn (HFC) Syrup soil amendments as a possible better source. However connections and conclusions often direct you to other issues.

It wasn't until I had a brief discussion with John Butler and Art Johnston last winter that alerted me to other possibly interactions. They directed me along the mineral content of the syrup. Then I discovered the added bonus of reduced plant DNA damage. I confirmed the results of my queries with Dr. Frank here in Toronto and we are very sure it helps achieve some level of delayed DNA damage.

I was at first not 100% sure about the foliar sprays since I had always believe root uptake was a better vector into the plant. However the Quebec club members have a great track record with foliar sprays of it.

Ya know Quinn you once told me that in order to learn about the hobby you have network. A simple connection and conversation with Art & John resulted in a definitive result a few weeks later.

12/6/2012 1:20:03 PM

Griffith, In

Russ, When it is applied, how much is the measurement in a drench or tea, and did anyone using it have disease issues that it helped the bad bacterias excelerate and make worse??

thanks, Judy

12/6/2012 3:38:58 PM

Griffith, In

I'm sorry, what I asked about bacterias was unclear, I was speaking of the bacterias and microbes in the soil.

12/6/2012 4:16:02 PM

Ontario, Canada.

Maple bud syrup is made from the xylem sap of sugar maple trees. It is already a concentrated form of plant ready carbohydrates. Therfore it is a natural organic “Super Plant Carb!”

MJ Bud growers have been using it to enhance yields. I don't see why anyone would debate it can't help increase pumpkin sizes.

12/6/2012 4:34:02 PM

Ontario, Canada.

I have never worried about soil disease issues when appling carbs. Bad guys are usually anaerobic while the good guys like air and sweets and thus will thrive. However be cautious and do not over water and or over apply sugars. Frequent low dose applications are better than a soil soaking drench. Roots become suberized in these conditions and begin to shut out the world around them hence beginning senescence.

Like all applications with AGP's it is never good to become a MORON! If you really want a boost add a good quality Ca mixture that has Mg and B and other micro's. Mix it all up with Fulvic acid or Humic acids to transport it to the roots. The high porosity CEC of FA and or HA will attract the cations and make the elements easily exchangeable.

Foliar 1 or 2 oz to the gallon. Soil applied you could use a tad more. Less as you approach the fall as soil conditions cool slowing the growth of the Bio community. Same for teas as well.

In late summer & fall I would also caution against foliar when mixed with fish emulsions as they can help PM to gain a foot hold on your plants.

Sorry this has gotten to be real wordy.

12/6/2012 4:58:28 PM

Upa Creek, MO

Words are good, thanks for posting.

12/6/2012 5:13:58 PM

Griffith, In

Thanks Russ, I appreciate your imput, long was a good learn!!!

12/6/2012 9:32:11 PM

Tinykinville

since maple syrup if not exactly cheap i am curious if there is an advantage of using it over molasses or corn syrup? other thing i wonder and not sure anyone tried, couldn't the pumpkins themselves have juice taken out heated and concentrated to use in a similar fashion? just wondering if anyone has looked at these things and knows reasons for or against them?

12/7/2012 1:48:35 AM

Ontario, Canada.

I believe maple bud syrup to be superior as an all encompassing product delivering fructose and free radical fighting capabilities.

Free radicals are reactive elements that are responsible for damaging normal cells. There damage causes cells to replicate in abnormal manners. The damage is cumulative and ultimately begins in plant death and lower fruit weights. The whole focus of increased fruit weight is to have plants that can sustain normal growth for longer periods. Antioxidants in the maple syrup are from a natural source and they can scavenge these radicals. It helps to keep the plant growing steadily. Syrup is not a magic bullet but it will help better than molasses alone. IMHO.

Q: Are there other things?

A: Vitamin C is the most investigated antioxidant responsible for the elimination of free radicals. It has a chelating ability to remove antioxidants. Yes but they combined together would cost you far more than bud syrup.

Sad to say if ya wanna play ya gotta pay.

Plant senescence processes and free radicals.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3075946

by YY Leshem - 1988 - Cited by 131 - Related articles
Free radicals acting at sensitive subcellular sites, appear to play a pivotal role ... (a) direct scavengers including SOD, ascorbic acid, and alpha-tocopherol acting ...

12/7/2012 6:16:36 AM

Tinykinville

thanks for the info russ

12/7/2012 6:24:29 AM

Ontario, Canada.

In layman's terms, maple bud syrup or Vitamin C and or the ascorbic acid level is thought to decrease in plants while chlorophyll was being lost. As the days become shorter supplementing the plants "C" ability seams to provide some help to the plant in reducing (not eliminating) the onset of senescence.

There appears to be some measure of extended growth available to growers. Harley, Jim and Todd are proof of this and so is Heavy D. As to what is the exact relationship and how much gain in the patch can you expect I have no idea! However, I will have free radical fighting tools in my pumpkin war chest from now on.

12/7/2012 6:37:17 AM

Ontario, Canada.

You can read a more extended version of power of Maple syrup, anti-oxidants and free radicals in the spring 2012 GVGO news letter at the link listed below. You don't need to be a GVGO member to read this.

http://gvgo.ca/newsletters/Growers_Vine_2012_spring.pdf

Russ

12/7/2012 11:07:57 AM