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Indiana

It is apparent that this is the best seed out there irregardless of what happens from here on out. There are not many left, the 1647 Wallace is even in high demand.

As many of you know a few years back through the generosity of the Harp's I was able to grow 30 of them in a test plot and try and self as many as possible. There were many great self's and I have many left. There are a few things that I have found out about the gene line after growing some of the selfs. Some do not like the heat, some just want to grow lettuce, and others have mutated. I have isolated it down to the best few seed stocks out of 30 plants.

If anyone doesn't want to, or have the ability to drop some big money on the real thing, I would love to see the genes advanced. I will offer anyone that wants some as long as what I have lasts 3 seeds for $10. Why money you ask? I want to continue the work for everyone's benefit, and the 1725 line is by far the most valuable genetic material I have found.

So there you have it, if you would like to try seeds from the one of the best of my 1725 Harp project.

Tom Beachy
7119 Grayling Place
Fort Wayne, IN 46835

If you want to send me some of your seeds from this year, I will include some of mine for free. We had a tough year, no monsters, but you never know whats gonna pop the next big one.

10/8/2012 2:05:00 PM

Indiana

[email protected]

10/8/2012 2:09:20 PM

And about to get more valuable....right...about....now

10/8/2012 2:30:22 PM

don young

1775 starr

10/8/2012 2:40:58 PM

I grew the 444 Beachy last year. 444 was the biggest out of Tom's 30 1725 x self. It was crossed with 1810.

If that isn't as good as any cross ever made on paper I don't know what is..lol. Because it's only 1276 nobody notices. And it was 1276 late August. The offspring from that seed is in my diary. I'm guessing not many of them will be that pretty...lol.

And for as much cash as Tom spends on his operation I don't think $10 is anything to ask.

10/8/2012 2:55:28 PM

Bristol R.I. USA

Chris. Can I email you. I'm really interested in that cross. I'm looking for a seed that's tolerant of wet conditions.

10/8/2012 3:33:01 PM

WiZZy

Little-TON - Colorado

There are 1810 X 1725 Crosses out there too..........

10/8/2012 4:26:45 PM

WiZZy

Little-TON - Colorado

and a 1725 X 1810 Cross

10/8/2012 4:27:04 PM

Donkin

nOVA sCOTIA

1634 Werner x 1314Sperry(1725 Harp x 1385 Jutras)20% over.Pretty good potential here if i do say so myself:)))

10/8/2012 4:55:36 PM

Sure you can email me no prob.

10/8/2012 5:07:06 PM

Frank and Tina

South East

30 in a test plot with 444 lbs the biggest. Just imagine knowing what you know now after this year what could have been grown out them with a lot of care and good soil. ;-)

10/8/2012 7:31:24 PM

Tina / Frank I'm not sure if there was sarcasm or not so I'll assume not :)

Tom grew these in a field setting with equal care and 444 was the biggest pumpkin. That's pretty significant IMO. I think this was a fantastic project and Tom probably found a couple gems in the process.

10/8/2012 7:55:01 PM

And if 444 is meaningless because it's "only 444" then I'll use the following reasoning.

Glenn and Margaret Martin just weighed one about 1250 this weekend off the 101 Shymanski. Therefore we should be able to grow something about 4 times that big off a 400# seed so about 4800# LOL.

I reaslly like these genetics experiments. I just wish more growers would plant the seeds :)

10/8/2012 7:57:29 PM

Michigan Masher ( Team Bennett)

Honesdale Pa USA

I tend to agree with Chris, genetics are genetics. I grew my 928 Box(1725 Harp x self) last year and grew a 733 lber of it. The plant was put in very late and pollinated in late July or early August,great growing plant and the fruit resembled the 928( the 928 was done growing in mid August due to vine rot) I didn't pay much attention to it and it was in a weak part of my patch. Might just try it again this year. See seed exchange post if you want a 928 Box. Tom, you are right, that was VERY generous of the Harps!

10/8/2012 11:05:29 PM

Michigan,up North

Hes making money on some ones else generosity.bad karma for you sir.boycot......

10/8/2012 11:40:41 PM

Michigan Masher ( Team Bennett)

Michigan,up North

wrong fourm.put the seeds on the aution maybe youll get 1600 for one,or try ebay.if you want money grow a big one and enter a weigh off.

10/9/2012 12:31:11 AM

Anklebarry

Littleton, Colorado

I agree Chris-- I grew the 101 Shymanski, & it's got terrific potential! The plant got away from me when my work went crazy from July till now, so the 101 had about a half dozen open pollinated renegades on it: between 100 lbs. to 300 lbs. Those were in addition to the intended pumpkin---a very beautiful 783 1/2 lbs., which I crossed with the 1566 Rodonis.

10/9/2012 1:18:45 AM

Indiana

Robert, I'll give you an open invite to come down and tour our operation, and I would be happy to show you the accounting while your here.

10/9/2012 7:46:35 AM

Bristol R.I. USA

This brings up another point.totally. and that's if selling seeds is ethical.so far people are mixed on that. I do believe that until things are different then selling seeds is a bit unethical.Tom's case seems slightly different but boarders on the same line. The point is if you want a seed from him then buy the seed if you don't then don't buy a seed and that's that. I do believe seeds are the lifeblood of the clubs and selling can take that away. Im more interested in his research.

10/9/2012 8:12:36 AM

Honesdale Pa USA

Tom puts a lot of time,money,and effort into his growing and I bet the Harps are ok with it. Like he said "So there you have it" its a good deal for the genetics you'll be getting. As Kenny said, its your own choice to buy them or not.

10/9/2012 8:38:41 AM

Indiana

Kenny,
I'd ask you to calculate what it costs to grow 2 acres of giants without water, just sprays and time.

I'm not really selling the seeds, I'm just asking for a little help with my gallon of Warrior, Banner, Quadris, Merit, Bravo, get my point now? The seeds are the carrot for the help. I have a baby on the way. No help now, starting this year, means no projects. If people do not see the value in the projects, they wont help.

I'm also going to be looking to add the 1775 Starr and 1647 Wallace to my plans. All the other projects we were working on look pretty useless because of the 1725 so lets get excited about that next step forward to 3000 pounds. The genes are only a few generations from being there.

I'll do my part on growth rate potential, I need willing people like Chris to do their part on testing them out in a real good patch, and keep building on it.

Not to be insulting to Ron and Pap at all, but the 2009, we dont even know if the seed was in the top quartile or 10%. If they had 5 more of the 1725 out this year, it may have been the worst one. What I can do is say hey we grew a bunch out, and this was was the best on weight, that was the best on shape, the other was the best on % heavy, and the last one was the least likely to split. From there we can start mixing them together for the ideal combination. This will take decades less to accomplish than the way we are doing now.....IF (and its a big IF) people will help. Ideally, everyone that gets seeds from me, will self them. The 1725 is the cream of the crop for right now. Lets find the cream of the crop of the cream of the crop.

10/9/2012 9:20:27 AM

Bristol R.I. USA

Tom your issue is with Robert, I really don't care what you do with any of the seeds given to you. I Don't care. That being said the 1647 is a good seed. I planted it and it was awesome.

10/9/2012 10:44:53 AM

Bristol R.I. USA

Tom, my point being if you invest the time to research genetics and do the work if you wanna sell a seed to recoup the cost of the research then more power to you go ahead I think its fine. no issues here bud, some people do find it a bit unethical and thats okay, they don't have to buy anything from you or help with the cost of your findings. I say go for it and see what works best it helps the hobby out right? I'd be interested in seeing how your reserch has been going with your 1647 project since I think that seed rocks. Now the March is for the 2500 lbs fruit....uggghhh! lol

10/9/2012 11:39:35 AM

Richard

Minnesota

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10/9/2012 1:30:34 PM

BatCaveN8

The North Coast

I commend your work Tom and see it's value. Projects like these could speed up gains by years over our standard way of breeding.

10/9/2012 2:10:47 PM

basebell6 (christy)

Massillon, Ohio

"A baby on the way"!? Was this a pregnancy announcement thread!? CONGRATS! ;)

10/9/2012 4:19:32 PM

Bubba Presley

Muddy Waters

Yes it's not selling seeds if just getting your cost back.Why should a guy spend thousands of dollars & then give it away to strangers?

10/9/2012 8:49:37 PM

TruckTech1471

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Tom has his own ideas for his own reasons. If you don't like them, then don't buy them. Personally, I like someone who thinks outside the box.

10/9/2012 10:02:20 PM

Honesdale Pa USA

Good call Chisty, kids are what it is all about period..... You can grow a 10,000 lb. pumpkin, it still won't compare to your children period............................

10/10/2012 12:51:31 AM

Honesdale Pa USA

Oh yeah, CONGRATS Tom!

10/10/2012 12:55:08 AM

whiskybravo

New Zealand

whats wrong with selling seeds to fund research! You Americans are crazy

10/10/2012 4:53:36 AM