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Omaha, Ne.

I can't find any bugs, birds, squirrels, bunnys, heffalumps or woozles. Or maybe the garden gnome he keeps looking at me funny.

6/21/2012 10:18:19 PM

Omaha, Ne.

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=181561

6/21/2012 10:19:37 PM

seen it ,lived it breath it- your not looking close enough (under) leafs
most insecticides do terrible job on mites ahpids and white flys etc
neem oil try it

6/21/2012 10:27:51 PM

Eastern Pennsylvania

bifen! definitetly insect damage.

6/21/2012 11:44:33 PM

Omaha, Ne.

How about this one. http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=181413

6/22/2012 12:08:14 AM

The bottom of New Jersey

That's a large insect doing that, or maybe slugs if you don't see anything around during the day.

6/22/2012 7:34:10 AM

Boscawen, NH

I would bet on slugs. Try burying a small bowl up to the lid and fill with a cup of beer (drink the rest). If you have slugs you will find a few that died a drunken death. Sluggo and Slugs be Gone work quite well.

6/22/2012 7:48:35 AM

Williamsburg,KY

Grasshoppper, earwig, slugs, do you see any frass from like a caterpillar?

6/22/2012 7:51:46 AM

Omaha, Ne.

The bottom of the leaves look clean I looked as close as I can. Even took a leaf inside and shook it over my white tile table put on my reading glasses (sucks getting old)didn't find a single bug. Will try neem oil because don said to.

6/22/2012 8:28:31 AM

Omaha, Ne.

I put Triazicide last night. Last tue diatomaceous earth, wed Earth-tone slug control.
would frass be on the leaf. because they look clean

6/22/2012 8:35:42 AM

Central Minnesota

It is some type of insect as others have said. I don't even look for what type anymore, I just use a spray program now because if I don't, my leaves will look like that in days.

6/22/2012 8:37:49 AM

Omaha, Ne.

hey just looked up an earwig. I found one of those, I thought it was a beneficial. http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=181423
earwigs are they leaf eaters?
How to kill kill kill them.

6/22/2012 8:42:50 AM

Omaha, Ne.

I use Trazicide & bifen, And even 7 once

6/22/2012 8:45:16 AM

Mill Bay, British Columbia

Darren...earwigs wont eat live plant matter....wont be a problem in your patch...dont worry about them.

Also (and most important) if you have done a preventative spray or drenching with an appropriate systemic...anything that may be eating in your patch will be dead..wont be laying eggs and wont be back to bother you.

I know you are using a systemic...just let it work its magic and only re-apply after the appropriate time has expired and the plants need another dose.

6/22/2012 11:02:09 AM

Baker City Oregon

I have had earwigs totally destroy bean leaves and only leaving the veins. I have also had them eat cornsilk down to nothing.

6/22/2012 11:06:15 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

Yes earwigZ can do damage... they even decimated my marigoldZ..... I have them climb up my peach tree and bore holeZ in the peacheZ....so I have to put a ring of sticky trap around the trunk so they cant climb up the tree....for both the AntZ and the eWigZ...

6/22/2012 11:37:02 AM

Taylorsville, California

Years ago I had an earwig infestation so bad they were destroying the vine tips as well as the young pumpkins. Nasty little creatures, if you go out at night with a torch you will see them covering the newer plant growth eating away. KILL EM ALL D!

6/22/2012 12:36:16 PM

Long Island,New York

I don't think its a bug. There, I said it. But, before I actually post anything so darn contrary I'd explore the frass-looking, tubular, sectioned, caterpillar poop-like, things that have collected on the leaf surface where the stem breaks out to a leaf.....the light colored things....in the picture....

6/22/2012 5:23:44 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

I think thatZ what he thrown down for the soil....Is that granular pesticide? I would go out at night time...if its earwigZ they will be all over!

6/22/2012 5:38:31 PM

Omaha, Ne.

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=181467
found this bug too. anyone know what it is the only other bug are some small ants got alot of flys.
LIpumpkin the small light colored things are slug bate pellets
I looked very close to the leaves and there is nothing I crawed under the leaves and seen nothing but some flys and some ants.

6/22/2012 6:56:34 PM

The bottom of New Jersey

That looks like some type of millipede, as far as I know they all eat decaying organic matter, not living tissue.

6/22/2012 7:22:33 PM

Long Island,New York

http://bigpumpkins.com/MsgBoard/ViewThread.asp?b=6&p=37411

6/22/2012 7:28:27 PM

Long Island,New York

Well...like a multiple choice question on a test sometimes its best to go with your initial gut reaction. When I first saw that leaf I though it kinda looked like previous damage to the leaf that had the damaged areas just dry-break away. It resembled the situation where two leaves are overlapping and the underneath section of the leaf yellows up and dies...later to dry up while the green healthy parts remain. A silmilar situation would be a burned leaf. I dont live in Nebraska (although anywhere is better than this NY hellhole)and I don't claim to know the Nebraska critters.....I'm going with my rather large gut and suggesting that its previous damage.

6/22/2012 7:34:35 PM

Omaha, Ne.

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=181654

6/22/2012 10:11:27 PM

Ashland, KY

It's cabbage looper or similar larvae, just as LIpumpkin mentions. I really think it IS looper poop on that leaf in your picture- in this pic: http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=181561
EP

6/22/2012 10:18:18 PM

Omaha, Ne.

OK am i spraying right? 800 sq ft
1.Drench Bayer T&S 16oz in 2 gal of 74% imdacioprd 37%clthiandin

2.Bifin 7.9% Bifenthrin 1oz in 2gal

3.Spectracide Triazicide .o8% Gamma-Cyhalothrin 2.25oz 3gal.

6/22/2012 10:22:59 PM

dang how do you keep leafs from burning off at 14 ml per gal bifen? i use 2-3 ml a gal of 7.9 %

6/22/2012 10:50:42 PM

Omaha, Ne.

they are burning

6/23/2012 12:05:09 AM

Upa Creek, MO

Paranoia has set in. Put some gas on it, and if that doesn't work, try diesel. You are your own worst enemy right now. Slow the juice down, son.

6/23/2012 12:10:10 AM

Omaha, Ne.

I give up, over spray and still got bugs just eating away

6/23/2012 12:10:47 AM

Omaha, Ne.

and I thought I was under doing it

6/23/2012 12:11:42 AM

Omaha, Ne.

Better go try washing it off. Thanks for letting me know

6/23/2012 12:24:21 AM

Omaha, Ne.

that is my rotation I didn't just spray That all at once.
I just used the Bayer for the 2nd time this year.
The Tiazicide every 14 days
just added the bifen out of desperation.
Luke's idea just might work, got a match.

6/23/2012 12:33:59 AM

Long Island,New York

ok...so lemme get this straight....you're using contact insecticides and systemic at high rates.....(when they are designed to be used at low rates)....and more often than prescribed and upset you can't find bugs? How's that systemic work anyway?....the bug eats the toxic plant then dies? Reminds me of that blonde joke where someone says look - a dead bird ! And the blonde looks up saying where-where?
Anyway...the individual holes look like old bamboo stick damage.....

6/23/2012 7:53:45 AM

Omaha, Ne.

over 30 leaves and I got rid of the sticks a month ago. And switched to cloths hangers. After the first time I seen what sticks & wind do to leaves.

6/23/2012 8:51:35 AM

Omaha, Ne.

You can add at least 10 more to that number

6/23/2012 8:58:02 AM

Omaha, Ne.

It must be the garden gnome you know there increasing there numbers and staging a world take over.

6/23/2012 9:02:05 AM

Upa Creek, MO

Darren, last year I got hit with Cuke beetles hard, and if they attack leaves that aren't all the way developed or the young ones, those holes and rips get much bigger and more pronounced as they age. It might be you are just seeing old damage that the leaves are growing into.

It's like a fat man who gets a tattoo when he was skinny...

6/23/2012 10:18:03 AM

Baker City Oregon

Darren, check out my diary for 6/23/12. Starting with entry 55. I went out to the patch a couple of hours after I posted these and about a half dozen sparrows flew out of the area of the 1277.5.

6/23/2012 10:41:25 PM

Torrance, Ca.

Sounds like a crazy time over at the house Darren :)

6/24/2012 12:51:19 AM

Omaha, Ne.

Maybe the birds are getting there revenge for removing there tree. Any one got some bird spray.

6/24/2012 12:41:46 PM

Westmoreland, KS

Darren i have the exact same problem on some of my leaves...i couldn't find any bugs either i have 2 plants one has this problem the other doesn't. But i kept good records of when i was covering the vines with compost and spraying my plants. From what i could tell earlier this season I was covering all of the vine up to and might have got some compost on the tip of my secondaries and i was spraying the tip. Right after i did that my leaves started to look like this. After that i waited for my secondaries to get larger before covering them, i left about 6 inches and I make sure to not spray the tips of my vines...I have not seen the problem since.

6/25/2012 11:24:28 AM