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Little-TON - Colorado

I hear that this iZ great for killing nut sedge....HOWEVER....it has 5% 2-4D in it....I dont like that part...

DANGEROUS stuff here? I saw what Roundup doeZ.....

ThoughtZ here.....Contact spray?

5/21/2012 1:31:02 PM

Pocatello ([email protected])

My advice would be to avoid it. If necessary, treat the lawn in the fall when possible damage to the giants would be minimized. I've personally seen seasons go down in flames from various lawn weed chemicals. Even a tiny amount will cause trouble if it contacts a giant.

5/21/2012 4:01:13 PM

Pocatello ([email protected])

Please allow me to revise and extend my remarks...

Firstly, I'd be just as worried about the non 2-4D part as the 2-4D part. The rest of the product seems to be "unknown" (I did some goog-ling and didn't find any real info) so we have to treat it as truly unknown.

Most of us have needs beyond the giants, and the lawn is part of that. Here is what I do. There is a product from Fertilome called "Weed Free Zone". I mix that stuff up in a bottle, and then go around the yard, hold that wand out about two inches from the dandy, and "ZSSST", for about 0.5 seconds, or just enough to get the junk on that punk. Do not ever, ever, spray the entire lawn randomly.

Now, I don't know about crabgrass, nutsedge, etc. We just don't have those weeds here. So if this manner of application doesn't work, then more research is needed.

The Bayer product may be as good, or worse than the Fertilome. I just don't know.

So, in addition to that very limited application rate, here are the other precautions I take:

1. Early spring only. It's already too late in my opinion!
2. Once you spray the offender, do not step on it and then step into your garden.
3. For the next month, lawn clippings can't go anywhere near plants that you want to keep.
4. Don't go in your patch anymore that day when you've been messing with the chemicals! Obviously, your hands need to be completely clean.

5/21/2012 4:37:23 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/Diary/DiaryViewOne.asp?eid=178724

This is not in my grass. This grass iZ in my patch. One can see it in this pic. I wont take the risk and put the 24D in my patch while there is pumpkins in it....even though its a contact spray. Guess Ill have to just smoke the grass.

5/21/2012 5:04:55 PM

Waynesboro, Virginia

http://agentorangecanada.com/killme.php

5/21/2012 5:51:29 PM

Long Island,New York

Someone wanna tell that mississippi grower that his plants look like they got hit with 2-4-D....nasty stuff.

5/21/2012 5:55:48 PM

Upa Creek, MO

Throw all that sheeet away... trust me. lol

5/21/2012 6:14:00 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

Good thing I have become a lable reader....I have read where pouring boiling water will kill the sedge nuttZ, so Im hoping they wont like me smoking them either. Too bad it will kill the biology in the soil too, but the sedge nuttZ are taking over.....

5/21/2012 6:15:35 PM

Little-TON - Colorado

Label or lable....lol ... dont user 2-4-D

5/21/2012 6:16:13 PM

Piqua, Ohio

burn the tops with a propane torch the weeds will die

5/21/2012 7:46:32 PM

Smithville, Tn

2 4D is evil. It is suppose to not have any residual effects after 48 hours. It'a lie!! Last year I had some secondary vines touch a dead weed sprayed with 2 4D two weeks early, even after some rain. The vines looked shrivled and mutated.

5/21/2012 10:51:39 PM

Bethlehem CT

Nutsedge is very, very persistent. It has a nut like tuber for part of it's root. Lots of energy is stored in it. So it will come back again and again and again. Personally I would not be afraid to use round up, just keep it off the leaves and vines. 2-4-d is such a problem because even it's gases, will damage a sensitive species like Atlantic Giants.

5/22/2012 8:36:42 AM

Quincy, CA

Isn't nutsedge a grass or monocot? And isn't 2-4D ineffective against grasses?
That's why it's used in lawns against broadleaf weeds like dandelions without hurting the grass.

5/22/2012 9:50:46 AM

Eastern Pennsylvania

Use roundup just be careful. Or there are narrow leaf grass killers available.

5/22/2012 10:03:36 AM

Pocatello ([email protected])

Yep, just a little bit of roundup with some vinegar mixed in. Make sure the wind isn't blowing toward your plants. Or... ignore it. That's really nothing. ;-)

Roundup is much more stable than 2-4D. It won't "gas" and spread, nor stay forever in the soil.

According to big moon, nutsedge is kinda like morning glory? If so, your only hope is to spray it heavily in the fall, when the plant will draw the stuff into the roots (bulb) and kill it. But these little things won't take much if any nutrients. I'd ignore them for now, or at least cultivate the surface to give them a hard time.

5/22/2012 10:14:56 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

Nut Sedge has a nut on the bottom, a bit bigger than the siZe of a pea. Roundup alone wont phase it...had to go to 3 X the rate...Grass is V bladed. Blade width of 3/8 inch when fully grown. As it grows bigger its almost bulb like, very hard to get rid of. It seems to love mycho, and everything we give pumpkins....water..Rabbits dont eat it.....go figure....

5/22/2012 10:23:55 AM

Waynesboro, Virginia

In my opinion glyphosate is as bad for gardens as 2-4d.It locks up nutrients,kills micro organisms and promotes disease. http://www.twobitdog.com/drfox/Monsanto-Roundup-Disease

5/22/2012 10:36:31 AM

Waynesboro, Virginia

2 chickens in a bottomless cage.They will eat everything, including weed seeds.Keep moving the cage.I'v seen friends plant new lawns like this.Just a thought.

5/22/2012 10:40:48 AM

Pocatello ([email protected])

Interesting... I read the entire essay on Roundup that "West" posted. All I care about is the truth. I'm not saying that either side has all of the truth, but whatever it is, I'm all for it. I had no idea that glyphosate is alleged to hang around in the soil...

In that case you need to carefully dig up every nut (lol), or cultivate (mechanical, flame, chickens...) so often that the bulbs can't get fed through the summer.

5/22/2012 4:11:52 PM

Lloydminster/AB

I just read that essay. Maybe there's some truth to it but I live in an agricultural area where glyphosate is used more than pumpkin growers use manure and there would be some sign of damage if even a little bit was true. I'm calling it fear mongering. Just like that bunch of misinformation some do gooder wrote about 2,4d on Wikipedia. Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.

5/22/2012 4:58:36 PM

Piqua, Ohio

glyphosate dissipates when it hits the soil it only harms what you spray, I've never had trouble with it hanging around in the soil, if it was so bad for the soil it wouldn't be used in corn and soybeans, I'd cover the plant good and spray away! just my thoughts

5/22/2012 5:59:37 PM

Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

Use POAST for grasses...will not harm broad leafs

5/22/2012 10:24:37 PM

Bethlehem CT

I found this info useful about nutsedge (I cut and pasted it.)

Seedlings are rarely found. Seedling leaves look similar to that of mature plants, but are smaller and finer. The stem base is slightly triangular and the midvein area is usually pale. The first two to three leaves emerge together, folded lengthwise.

Young plant

Nutsedges grow mainly from tubers formed on underground, horizontal creeping stems called rhizomes, mostly in the upper foot of soil. Sprouts from tubers are similar in appearance to the mature plant.

Mature plant

Sedge stems are erect and hairless. Although sedge leaves superficially resemble grass leaves, they lack collars, ligules, and auricles. Sedge leaves are thicker and stiffer than most grasses, are V-shaped in cross-section, and arranged in sets of three from the base rather than sets of two as found in grass leaves. Sedge stems are triangular in cross-section; grass stems are hollow and round. Yellow nutsedge stems grow to 3 feet (0.9 m) tall and its leaves are light green, and have pointed tips. Purple nutsedge stems grow to 1-1/3 feet (0.4 m) tall and have dark green leaves with rounded leaf tips. Tubers of yellow nutsedge are produced singly while purple nutsedge tubers are produced in chains, with several on a single rhizome.

5/24/2012 8:12:42 AM