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Bemidji Minnesota

Another strange observation, I have seen, after reading enough back posts, is that fruits with small seend counts tend to throw good offspring. Both the Pukos 998 and the Wallace 1068 had relatively low seed counts for example.

This would make sense if the fruits had a high level of “hybrid vigor”. Not sure if it is the same with plants, but in animals (Ligers for example can be heavier than Kodiac Bears!), large amounts of hybrid vigor tends to means 2 things.

1. Large size.
2. Lower fertility (sometimes being completely sterile)

I don’t know if it will ever be proven, just a theory. Low seed count may be caused by hybrid vigor, and the result being Bigger fruit.

Does any one have some good counter-examples of consistently grown big fruits, from a parent than spawned a whole lot of seeds?

10/26/2007 6:19:52 PM

Colorado

723 bobier had a high seed count. A lot of the giants have had low seed counts.

10/26/2007 6:53:47 PM

Long Island,New York

Low seed counts might be a marketing ploy...or created to reduce the requests.....

10/26/2007 7:06:44 PM

Pocatello (cliffwarren@yahoo.com)

Taking this in an entirely different direction, I think a lot of us do strange things that cause us to have lower seed counts than what nature would normally provide. But that's a good discussion for winter, and it's not winter yet. I'll bring it up later. ;-)

This theory in this thread might make sense if we can assume that certain females "resist" certain males (hmmmmm....), otherwise, I can't see a connection.

10/26/2007 8:58:58 PM

Bemidji Minnesota

LOL, I can just see Ron and Dick, sitting back in the den for the game, sipping on their favorite brew, whilst munching down on all the 1068 seeds they intended not to sell.

Big’ol bowl of slated & Roasted 1068 seeds.

Thats the reason for the "low seed count" ;-D.

10/26/2007 10:31:37 PM

Warszawa Poland

If 723 had high seed count are any possibles that i can get one???? (this is my dream)

10/27/2007 6:48:16 AM

Long Island,New York

Artek's post proves my theory in part....or at least the motivation behind it.

10/27/2007 8:48:41 AM

Kevinstinindians@yahoo.com

The 723 had a high seed count yet the AGGC only shows 106 progeny. Not all of its progeny are recorded there of course. If only a third of what was planted made it to the AGGC that only 318 seeds. Where are the rest?

More examples:

1068 Wallace .........69 AGGC listed progeny
846 Calai............110
842 Eaton.............61
845 Bobier............87
1370 Rose.............59
805 Pukos.............70
1016 Daletas..........42

We don't know the seed count for them all but, where are all the seeds?

10/27/2007 3:18:48 PM

Kevinstinindians@yahoo.com

I couldn't find any seed with more progeny than the 110 of the 846 Calai. I'm guessing the 723 will pass it someday however.

10/27/2007 3:20:47 PM

Warszawa Poland

Good thing PA Punkin Pharmer.I dont know where are rest.......for sure some gorwers have this ones in collections.I will be more happy when they will be planted not in collection!!!!

10/28/2007 5:07:10 AM