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southwest MO

When selecting seed to plant does anyone use the criteria that both of the seeds parents had to have made healthy adult pumpkins when possible? Take for example the 763 Bosworth (05). Brooks grew the 842 Eaton and the 1260.4 Wier in 05. Both of these particular seeds from their respective parents produced a sound mature pumpkin. In other words their is actually a picture of both of your seeds parents. Their are alot of crosses made that the particular male parent never makes a friut or splits or makes low qualiity ect... Any thoughts? All coments welcome.

12/18/2006 3:05:37 PM

Long Island,New York

Some plants are just grown for pollen then pulled.
Some just aren't in the public record.
Some sucked due to non-genetic problems (dog ate it, stepped on main, patch elephants, etc..)
And some just sucked.
Thats where research comes in ...and luck?

12/18/2006 4:51:24 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

AGGC does site the pollinator's performance where applicable. Considering both parents is of value if this data is available. Unfortunately there is no entry at AGGC for the presence patch elephants.

12/18/2006 6:25:10 PM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

So I gotta ask, G do you think some of the problems you have been having are due to using Elephant manure, I think it's probably due to the unrelentless use of it, and the amount you've been piling on. I think I'd like to get Brooks to pipe in, as he probably can help you also with determining what strategies you should use to possibly trap these varment, and finding a special place to release them unharmed.
Sorry for high jacking this post.

12/18/2006 9:26:24 PM

Greencastle, PA

The performance of the pollinator is always a major factor in my seed selections.

12/18/2006 9:42:43 PM

maine USA

Hey You, why would't you consider both parents equally, or am I reading you wrong? thanks KathyT

12/18/2006 11:42:38 PM

southwest MO

Preformance of the pollinator. Thats a good way to put it. I think you are just further ahead if you know the pollinator is not a "dud".

12/19/2006 12:00:17 AM

Ontario, Canada.

You could take it a step further and look for a large progeny producer cross. Looking for crosses that come from 1400 pound producers only or other highly ranked hitters.

Say, you find a 1104 Hester(1420) x 842 Eaton(1446) or the reverse. Both seeds have produced 1400 pound pumpkins in the past. I don't know if anything like this even exists. How about a percentage producer above 1000 cross. There are a number of good quality obscure seeds out there that have 100% success rates for 1000 pound progeny. Granted they are usually only a few seeds in the ground. Problem again is what about the misfires we never hear about.

Kinda thinking that it might look like this, sound x sound = sound or size x size = size or Heavy x Heavy = Heavy or color x color = color ect.....the later three having been done before and are in fact a major component of most grower crosses out there. We all chased the 709, 898, 1260 and 1156 for the same reason. Because they ere thickerer than the rest. Its a good case to study.

Problem is as Steve confirms, the data stream of seeds planted is so big that the misfits, splitters and non starters are not recorded on a regular basis. The premise is well conceived but the data is lacking for a correct determination and outcome.

12/19/2006 1:13:43 AM

Ohio

Eddy, I have talked to G about his manure he gets from the Barnum & Baily Circus and told him when the clean up crew goes around cleaning this manure knowing when picking this manure up its usually full of snow cone juice,popcorn curnals and bubble gum wrapers that when mixed together causes a extremly deady toxin that makes plants seem like they have the deadly fussarium desease. So I told Glenn it was not fussarium he thought he had but its a new desease called "Elephantbubblecornjuicetosis". This desease you can never get rid of turns your patch into a toxic waste field that seeps into your soil 30 feet, there have already been reports of any structers within 200 yards starts to decay and fall in within 6 to 12 months after desease was descovered. For more details on this contact Tremor.

BoyGenius, grow that 763, its a good one, it produced a real nice orange shape 726lb pumpkin for me that had a really thick blossom end to boot. The plants vines was never burried and was basically a noncare pumpkin that was grown in grey clayish soil. I really like the 763 and will grow it again next year with out a doubt.

I just sent the last I could spare of my 763 to Ray's seed site, pumpkinpost.com yesterday.

G, I Love you still.

Brooks

12/19/2006 5:24:05 AM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

"Performance of the pollinator" is a nice way to put it. But in the slippery world of Atlantic Giant genetics, we surely hope that dad's good integrity passes on intact while his rebel brothers splitting tendancies do not. The unfortunate reality is, it's a crap shoot in this fine family which genetic code will arrive in the bubble pack.

12/19/2006 7:47:45 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

Brooks you crack me up big time......LMAO....you should be on tour with Larry the Cable guy.....realllllly...!

12/19/2006 11:03:28 AM

Eddyz@efirehose.net

So Brooks, Do you really think the disease is totally from the "Elephantbubblecornjuicetosis". The reason I ask is because it could be from the byproduct of too much long island icetea, or possibly a mixture of both, and in your scientific wisdom, what would you call that, I'd be scared to even attempt naming it.
Another point you bring up is that the contamination will seep 30 ft into the ground, now given his location, and his growing elevation, (10 ft above Sea level), do you thing the decline in the Cod fishery on the East coast could be the result of Glenns contaminating his soil. I believe we may have stumbled onto something huge here.

12/19/2006 12:05:05 PM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

Glenn is definetly to blame... Everything is Glenn's Fault...No snow for Christmas? Again Glenn's fault... Your property taxes went up this year...Glenn had a part in this...Next time your in a meeting...something goes wrong..blame Glenn..It works

12/19/2006 12:17:55 PM

southwest MO

Dont know who Glen is, but what the heck I blame him to.

12/19/2006 1:49:56 PM

Nova Scotia

There will be a 1420 x 842 cross next year i will do this cross. And a 998.6 x 842 cross
jeff

12/19/2006 2:56:55 PM

Wilmington.Ma.

I hear there blameing Glenn for the Whales washing up on the beach to!

12/19/2006 3:16:47 PM

North Smithfield, RI USA

No white Christmas in RI this year ----- Glenn's fault ?

12/19/2006 6:09:36 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

Global warming...message board chaos theory...inflation...patch elephants...all Glenn's fault.

12/19/2006 8:50:50 PM

Ohio

So the reason my kids dont believe in Santa this year,,,, Yep, I knew it!!! , Glenn's fault.

12/19/2006 9:18:34 PM

Ohio

Eddy, I been doing some real extensive research for the last 1.43 seconds of Glenn's patch, And my conclusion came from past studies of Glenn's soil during the dormant season in his patch,and what I have come up with is just plain and simple mathematics with some algebra and just a touch of geometry, so my Thesis, or my assumption to the answer of Glenn's patch is 1+1 = ALL GLENNS FAULT!

Boy Genius, I'm sorry that Glenn High Jacked your post, as you know this is all Glenn's FAULT.

12/19/2006 9:35:35 PM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

After a short chat with G last night. Turns out I am the one responsible for the no snow....I was complaining its hard to build a house with snow inside. So G shut off the snow machine until we get done. I guess I should have told him we have a roof now.

12/20/2006 9:36:18 AM

Little-TON - Colorado

Thanks for the snow Glenn! Colorado expecting 12-30"

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/displayphoto.asp?pid=4808&gid=1

"Elephantbubblecornjuicetosis"

12/20/2006 10:43:00 AM

Topsfield, Ma.

I like cheese...trying to take the heat off you bud...LOL!

12/20/2006 8:12:01 PM

Ohio

LOL SHANNON!!!, WIZ!!!!

Glenn like cheese?

12/21/2006 7:36:06 AM

Eastern Pennsylvania

Boy Genious- I have an actual answer for you lol. the short answer to your question= the 125 Wolf. The pumpkin itself grew small however the pollinator was the 723 bobier plant that grew Andy's 1407. The 125 grew 2 1000+ the first year out. So there you go..

12/21/2006 10:21:34 PM

I heard about that 125,,,think I might give it a shot here

12/21/2006 10:24:32 PM