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(rocky) Bonney Lake Wa.

Who can tell me of a seed or seeds that currently DOES NOT have 2009 Wallace or 1495 Stelts in it. At least 4 generations back.

3/8/2018 9:25:30 AM

Syracuse, NY

it must be my NAME, maybe i'm ANNOYING, maybe i'm on peoples' IGNORE lists, but at least i have a seed that fits your description, and you can have a DOZEN for all i care---(lol, i was just happy to see that, 'BOING!',
i have a match! i have a match!)
my 443.5 Gerry '14 (1207 Young X 1421.5 Stelts):

http://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/PumpkinsSeedGenetics.php?PN=443.5%20Gerry%202014

and the 648.5 from it:

http://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/fruitImages/648.5%20Gerry%202016.jpg

so far, two years in a row ((one is un-pictured, but pic is available)'15 and '16), nicely-orange offspring also(!);
i just want to see a seed of mine planted elsewhere than in my own patch. if this is just for reference, then that is fine, too. i MAY have others, too---
if negative or no reply = no worries, either; i am easy.
pumpkinpal@msn.com or, of course, here.

3/8/2018 10:50:21 AM

Massachusetts

I was interested in that question also at one time. My short list ended up:
1503 Urena
1778 Daletas
1429 Checkom
1843 Geddes
1730.5 Werner
1694 Meier

Must be many more. Good luck!

3/8/2018 11:23:56 AM

Massachusetts

work your way up from the 985 werner

3/8/2018 12:31:45 PM

Grittyville, WA

Lol Ron out of curiosity why?.. Matt-man has some old seeds up on the auction board but you want a big modern one from a unique lineage?

3/8/2018 4:37:40 PM

Rapid City, SD

yes indeed....for cheap too.....many moons ago some of these were high demand

LOT 10 old school
(666 Hester) 04’ = 898 Knauss x 846 Calai
(695 Handy) 01’ = 723 Bobier x 545 Handy
(895 Nesbitt) 02’ = 805 Pukos x 723 Bobier
(419 Pukos) 02’ = 846 Calai x 723 Bobier

up in silent auction right now ending march 11th....taking dollar bids too.....enjoy?

look here for all the lots listed

http://www.bigpumpkins.com/MsgBoard/ViewBoard.asp?b=26

3/8/2018 4:53:16 PM

Oak Grove, Mn

The biggest ever grown without either 2009 wallace or 1495 Stelts in it is the 1969 Haist 2014. Do not confuse this one with the 1969 Haist 2016 which has 2009 in it. I have a couple of the 2014 seeds...some year will have to germinate them.

3/8/2018 6:01:27 PM

British Columbia, Canada

Isn't the 1969 haist 1756 Lancaster x 1495 Stelts? If the pollinator doesn't count then wouldn't the 2008 Neptune be the largest without the 2009 or 1495?

3/8/2018 6:24:44 PM

Whitehall Montana

1921 Weston I believe

3/8/2018 6:35:40 PM

Oak Grove, Mn

eeew, you are right..i was focusing on the 2009...yes, the pollinator or the 1969 Haist 2014 was the 1495

3/8/2018 7:18:28 PM

Oak Grove, Mn

is the 1921 weston the biggest ever without either the 2009 or the 1495?

3/8/2018 7:19:09 PM

Wisconsin

Largest Fruit without 2009 or 1495 is the 2118 Jutras Sqaush

3/9/2018 3:10:17 AM

I believe the 2118 has the 282 Scherber in it which is the clone of the 2009 . 1060 was (1478.5 Holub x self) . 1478.5 Holub was (282 Scherber [2009 Wallace] x 615 Cantrell [1578* Holub])
Does that count as the 2009 ?

3/9/2018 7:06:07 AM

(rocky) Bonney Lake Wa.

just going back to when the 2009 got planted not back to 14 years ago.

3/9/2018 10:53:30 AM

Willamette Valley, Oregon

Good eye, spudder. The 282 is more 2009 than the 2009 seed itself, in that it's 1725 Harp [2009 Wallace] x self; that's 100% 2009 Wallace fruit genetics.

Another spoiler to watch out for is the 1623.5 Wallace (1278 Goetze 2011 x 1725 Harp [2009 Wallace]). where the 2009 was the pollinating plant.

Tom K's list is good except.
not 1429 Checkon - it's got 1495.

also 1921 Weston has 1495 too hiding in there.

1843 Geddes 2012 is the biggest I find meeting your criteria, and it's the biggest seed that I can find from the 898 Knauss maternal line, which is exceedingly rare these days.

http://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/PumpkinsSeedGenetics.php?PN=1843.5%20Geddes%202012

3/10/2018 1:11:04 AM

Grittyville, WA

1381 Checkon is probably every bit as good as the other more common lineages...

3/10/2018 6:34:35 AM

Grittyville, WA

1730.5 Werner and 1161 Rodonis would be good ones. Or the Geddes if you could find it, also the 1623.5 Wallace is one that has performed well.

3/10/2018 6:42:27 AM

Syracuse, NY

lol---pumpkin seed bingo---they should have this at the Big Show in the future; for now, i would have won THIS round, lol!

3/10/2018 4:10:07 PM

Colo Springs CO

!308 Sawtelle 2017
1238 Sawtelle 2016
1338 Sawtelle 2015

Someone else is thinking along the same thoughts perhaps.

3/11/2018 11:17:18 AM

Colo Springs CO

Had a few other interesting genetic lines going as well up until 2010. Currently has 2 special squash genetics with potential. Colorado grower with a couple of screws loose probably.

3/11/2018 11:25:25 AM

Willamette Valley, Oregon

You beat me to it, Marc. I found few more but not many. Here are the top few biggest by year that I found (Squash* make the list too):

2017
1308 Sawtelle
981 Grottschereiber
1309* Kline
1147* Steil

2016
1330 Gansert
1238 Sawtelle
1403* Haist
1511.5* Haist

2015
1714.1 Lueders
1438 Horton
1338 Sawtelle
1269 Brownwell
1533* Kline
1349* Oliver

2014
1725.5 Haist
1425.5 Alberts
1421.5* Jutras
1362* Pugh

2013
1783.5 Stevens
1746.5 Lancaster
1684.3 Schierding
1548.5 Brownell
1264* Pierpont
1233* Hunt

2012
1843 Geddes
1778.5 Daletas
1730 Werner
1694 Meier

A long list in 2011; and everything from 2010 and before, of course.

3/11/2018 3:15:14 PM

Willamette Valley, Oregon

http://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/ is a great resource.

3/11/2018 3:25:10 PM

Willamette Valley, Oregon

Most of the above are still pretty closely related to the 2009 or 1495, in that all the major fruit lately are a mix of only a few ancestors. Go one/two/three generations back and everything is some large proportion of:
1385 Jutras (esp 1725 Harp),
1161/1566 Rodonis,
1381 Checkon,
1068 Wallace,
998.6/1231 Pukos (or 1400 Eaton/LaRue generally),
1370 Rose,
895.5* Hester on the squash side,
and a few others.

Moving forward with selections from that mix seems like a good plan really. Every seed is still different and there's a lot of diversity still in existence.

3/11/2018 4:04:22 PM

Willamette Valley, Oregon

But... There are really only 3-4 maternal lines left:
845 Bobier (and it's mom the 935 Lloyd)
846 Calai
898 Knauss
and
895.5* Hester

That has been the case for many years, but we may be about to lose a maternal line:
898 Knauss does not appear in the maternal lines of any major seeds/fruit in 2017.

Anyone looking to do some genetic diversity crosses may want to consider these seeds to save the 898 Knauss maternal line:

1369 Breznick 2017 (1710 Breznick 2014 x 1585.5 Werner 2014)

1549.5 Urena 2016 (991 Urena 2005 x 2145.5 McMullen 2015)

1710 Breznick 2014 (1843.5 Geddes 2012 x 1530.5 Breznick 2013) and offspring:
http://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/FruitProgeny.php?FruitName=1843.5%20Geddes%202012

1204 Bowman 2014 (1689 Jutras 2007 x 1421.5 Stelts 2009)

1843.5 Geddes 2012 (1140.2 Finders 2011 x 1704 Urena 2011) and offspring:
http://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/FruitProgeny.php?FruitName=1843.5%20Geddes%202012

1704 Urena 2011 (991 Urena 2005 x 1468.5 Stevens 2010) and offspring:
http://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/FruitProgeny.php?FruitName=991%20Urena%202005


1348.5 Ellenbecker 2009
1373.6 Kaczenski 2009

1395.5 Leonard 2008 (1689 Jutras 2007 x Unknown)
1272 Brunst 2008 (1689 Jutras 2007 x 1631.5 McKie 2007)

1689 Jutras 2007 (998.6 Pukos 2005 x 1225.4 Jutras 2003)
http://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/FruitProgeny.php?FruitName=1689%20Jutras%202007

1446.5 Werner 2006 (998.6 Pukos 2005 x 1068.2 Wallace 2003)

991 Urena 2005 (1420.5 LaRue 2004 x 1446 Eaton 2004)
http://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/FruitProgeny.php?FruitName=991%20Urena%202005

998.6 Pukos 2005 (1420.5 LaRue 2004 x 1446 Eaton 2004)
http://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/FruitProgeny.php?FruitName=998.6%20Pukos%202005

1420.5 LaRue 2004 (1104 Hester 2003    x 1180 Daletas 2003) and offspring
http://tools.pumpkinfanatic.com/FruitProgeny.php?FruitName=1420.5%20LaRue%202004

3/11/2018 4:14:29 PM

Grittyville, WA

Ron, I have a 1505.5 Haist 2012 x 1462 Gibson 07 which was a perfectly controlled cross and both plants were very good plants... The Haist was white the Gibson was very orange. Anyhow it was only 300 lbs or so... but not bad for being squeezed between two other plants and being allowed only 60 leaves or so!

3/11/2018 10:34:53 PM

Grittyville, WA

Interestingly— it meets those specifications. Grown in 2017... with no 1495 or 2009 in it...!

3/11/2018 10:38:36 PM

Grittyville, WA

I have a couple 1505.5 Haist 2012 seeds... great genetics in them!

3/11/2018 10:49:40 PM