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Carrollton, Ga.

You might want to read this before you get compost from a city give away. http://www.ljworld.com/section/citynews/story/152227

Doug

11/30/2003 5:26:23 PM

canal winchester ohio

I've always avoided that stuff for that very reason. I stick with a mixture of straw & manure from a friend with a dairy farm...........Paul

11/30/2003 6:00:43 PM

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Just one more reason that municipalities (and anyone else for that matter) should be testing & certifying the "compost & topsoils" they produce.

For the record, clopyralid has been made by Dow Agrosciences & sold & used for about 15 years with little incident. In fact, Dow has on all Clopyralid labels, recommended that treated grass clippings be composted for 1 full year before use in gardens. But municpalities never bother to allocate a years worth of space to composting. Instead they buy equipment (& approve Unionized labor to operate said equipment) to turn piles quickly to insure rapid turn-around.

In their defense, municipalities have no way of knowing whether grass clippings are Clopyralid treated or not. But ignorance is rarely a good defense in court.

Dow has voluntarily removed all residential uses of Clopyralid from the label. The change becomes effective as of the first of the year. Golf Courses & (ironically) Municipalities are still free to use Clopyralid. Institutional lawns, shopping centers, schools with no dorms, etc. may also still be treated. Only residential lawns have been removed fronm the label. So until muni's get serious about composting properly, we're not yet out of the woods.

As a sidebar: I've sold literally thousands of gallons of clopyralid containing herbicides in good conscience. The stuff works great. Especially on clover.

Steve

11/30/2003 6:15:50 PM

Oz

Another reason to do it as natural as you can.
clopyralid is also used as a insectacide.
but then,,,you can trust dow chemical,,,,,,,

11/30/2003 7:24:07 PM

Kenyon, Mn.

Got ya all studyin' huh? Good article Doug and a perfect example of what I spoke of.Paul, aside from the chicken S@#%, I also have a good neighbor with his own beef, that he raises for his large families freezer and it is chemical free

12/1/2003 5:27:08 PM

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Clopyralid is not an insecticide. Never has been. Dow Agrosciences & Dow Chemical are no longer the same companies.

12/1/2003 7:18:37 PM

Oz

my mistake,it is listed in usa pesticide fact sheet.
as a herbacide.
it does have a toxic concentration chart.

i looked up dow ag and chem,,,im not sure how they are not related,,,

clopyralid is banned in calIfornia.
seems they found it dosent break down like claimed.

i wonder if those molecules of clopralid come together
in compost?

the state of new york is suing dow ag.
its about dursban.

growing up in mich there were the big guys.
big salt is the most influential.and the least trusted.

12/2/2003 1:29:36 AM

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Clopyralid finds garden compost via grass clippings. Lawns that get treated for broadleaf weeds with any of following herbicides (& probably more) will yield clippings tainted by Clopyralid.

Lontrel (staright clopyralid)
Confront (blended with triclopyr)
Momentum (all blends from here down)
Battleship
Millennium
Battleship
Chaser
Stinger

There's others too. That's what I can remeber.

The clippings can be safely composted in about 10 months. So Dow recommends 1 year for saftey's sake. But who ever bothers to read & follow directions? Had the municipal composters followed the advise of major soil schools when setting up their composting facilities, none of this would have happened.

12/2/2003 11:50:37 AM

Indiana

Any ideas on how to get a municipal compost area set up. we have a new mayor who may be into getting somthing like this set up.
Steve

12/2/2003 1:52:44 PM

Oz

moondog,,contact knox county,tennessee.
MIKE COHEN 865-215-4750
they have one in operation.
and i find the people helpful and friendly.

12/2/2003 3:04:32 PM