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Burwell, Georgia

Could someone please tell me where to buy warrior t or scimitar?
Thanks,
Ray

11/17/2003 11:12:20 AM

Omaha, NE (N41-15-42 )

I'd like to know as well. I contacted Syngenta to find a rep for Warrior, but haven't heard anything. I also saw on DuPont's website that they advertise an insecticide called Asana XL that they claim is better than Warrior. Anybody heard of this?

11/17/2003 11:29:36 AM

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Asana is incredible. But it's also a class B poison & you'll need a license to buy it.

Our version of Warrior (active ingredient Lambda-cyhalothrin) is not labeled for use on vegetables. It's the easier to find & purchase version of the same activbe ingredient under the trade name "Battle" which is also the same as "Scimitar".

There are supply issue every year. Perhaps someday Syngenta will fill in the supply gaps. But for now, we just take whichever version we can get & sell it.

For the record Warrior & Battle are restricted use in many or most states. Scimitar isn't.

But Warrior is in an EC carrier (oil based) & does a better job of penetrating the exoskeleton of an insect that isn't feeding.

Battle & Scimitar are water based suspensions. They offer greater crop & applicator safety, but insects have to be feeding to be controlled.

There are some consumer products beginning to show up on the shelves of retailers that contain Llambda-cyhalothrin now. I just can't remember the names. If you "search" for LC, you'll find it. We had a fair amount of discussion here this summer about it.

Better than Llambda-cyhalothrin is Bifenthrin (Talstar, Capture, Onyx, T-One, etc.). But for some reason Pumpkin growers here haven't "discovered" it yet. I've used both. Bifenthrin has the slight advantage & also controls mites.

Pro-Source One & Helena both sell Warrior. So do most commercial ag retailers.

We are LESCO & have about 240 stores nation wide.

www.lesco.com for a store locator. Ask for Battle or Talstar but keep in mid that Pumpkins do NOT appear on the label & this is not a recommendation to do anything illegal. Only Golf, Pro-Turf, & Ornamental uses appear on the Battle & Scimitar labels. The Feds split Agriculture & Ornamental forever a few years ago. But no one bothered to tell the bugs.

Hope this helps.

Steve

11/17/2003 9:32:35 PM

Wood River, Nebraska

I'm still looking for a source for "Admire" in smaller quantities than 1 gal. Matt are you interested in splitting an order? BTW it is labeled for all cucurbits.
dave

11/18/2003 9:35:11 PM

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Het Stewee, You can get 2 oz jars of 75% Imidacloprid (Merit) for less than $50.00.

11/18/2003 10:02:24 PM

Iowa

Have any of you tried Baythroid. Pretty much the same active ingredients as Warrior. However it is a little safer to handle and has a little longer residual. It Will kill any insect trying to harm your pumpkins.
Ralph Trumm

11/19/2003 12:14:05 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

I just bought a gallon of Warrior Z and would be willing to split it at cost + shipping. It ain't cheap tho'...e-mail me.

11/19/2003 5:24:36 AM

Carrollton, Ga.

Hi
What is the difference between warrior t and warrior z?
Dude

11/19/2003 7:40:00 AM

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"Z" stands for Zeon. A name dreamed up by a Syngenta marketing person to identify the most recently labeled version of certain Syngenta products (not just Warrior). The Zeon process is an improvement over Syngenta's original microencapsulation technolgy.

Warrior (and many other insecticides) is a suspension of microencapsulated chemcial molecules. The capsules help keep the product safe from environmental factors that might cause their premature breakdown. Most recent improvements have come in the area of UV stabilization. Though encapsulating has other benefits to us as well. Tank mix compatibilty comes to mind. This is important stuff.

Sunlight is responsible for the most breakdown of product. (Interesting since most folks think it's water) To increase efficacy (product success), the manufacturers are using UV inhibitors (sunscreen for pesticides). This is very good.

Befenthrin (Talstar, Capture, etc) has the longest residual of all insecticides on the market today at 28 days when applied to foliage. Yet when incorporated into soil, we see results for as long as 5 years! The breakdown of foliage applied chemicals by sunshine is called "photodegradation" (sun-breakdown).

So Zeon is the most recent effort by Syngenta to add sunscreen to our chemicals to make them last longer. Other manufacturers use these processes too. But their marketing folks are less rambunctious about advertising it.

It's all good.

Steve

11/19/2003 9:16:11 AM

Kenyon, Mn.

Hey Phonzie, where do you find baythroid?

11/20/2003 12:51:29 PM