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Stouffville

And I mean in a hypothetical situation if you had a seed from each fruit in your hand! I think it's an interesting question since they have the same parents, just ma and pa are reversed.

10/19/2003 4:34:10 PM

ontario

both

10/19/2003 5:22:00 PM

Stouffville

but you said the new hot one was the 842?

10/19/2003 5:22:28 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

I'm growing both in '04...check the AGGC stats and you'll see why Mike, whew!

10/19/2003 5:24:03 PM

Stouffville

they are both obviously good

I'm interested in understanding perhaps which parent may be more influential for certain genetics if that happens

for instance i grew the 1058 and 1020 papez one year

the 1058 grew a yellow fruit kinda like the ma
and the 1020 grew an orange fruit kinda like the pa

I know both Eaton fruit are wicked genetically,

my questions are not motivated because I'm trying to figure out what to plant next year...I'm more interested in genetics

What if the under 400lber from the 876.5 Lloyd plant that pollinated the 846, was pollinated by the 801.5 stelts that grew the 846?

10/19/2003 5:30:22 PM

Stouffville

pa means ma for the 1020 statment, man i'm sloppy

10/19/2003 5:31:13 PM

BenDB

Key West, FL

I'd go with the 842 because it has grown bigger fruit, it is more proven. I only have room for 2 plants so I don't like to take risks with seeds.

10/19/2003 7:35:04 PM

Stouffville

I honestly wonder why Mr.Eaton favored his 842 plant?

10/19/2003 7:41:19 PM

Ontario

I was lucky enough to have planted the 1236 and it was a heck of a ride while it lasted. I got it to an estimated 1175 before it blew out at the first rib. The circumference on this thing was 15 feet 7 inches. A great seed indeed. The only draw back on mine was the Dill rings and heavy ribbing. I definitely got more 846 Calai than 723 Bobier in my 1236 seed. I'm sure that all the seeds are slightly different in their make-up and some will take more after the 723. Mine was also a darker orange than other 1236 progeny that I've seen. The plant itself was massive and by far the fastest growing with the largest leaves I've ever seen. I'm going to try the 842 next season. I tend to prefer pumpkins with no Dill rings and lighter ribbing just for the reliability thing. If it were a toss-up I'd go with the 842 myself but only time will tell which seed was better. Both seeds are going to kick out some amazing pumpkins over the next few years. I also suggest you beef up your lifting gear for anybody who plans on planting one next year ;0)

10/19/2003 7:56:52 PM

Stouffville

interesting that the 1236 threw such a ribby dill-ringed fruit, and then the 842 grew a pumpkin as smooth as the 1301.5, which is actually colorwise more like 723 offspring

10/19/2003 7:59:56 PM

Stouffville

so do you think Al used an eenie meanie minee moe routine in deciding between the 842 and 1236?

10/19/2003 8:03:43 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

You're still a HH Cowpie, blowout or not!
Looking forward to see what ya do next year with that 842 ;0)

10/19/2003 8:31:26 PM

ontario

jammerama........Al decided on 842 because he believed everyone would try the 1236 and so he decided to try and prove the 842......sometimes luck plays apart in decisions.....I will probably growing two 842's next year....Als was creamy colored and Denna Lloyd grew one 20% heavy est at 768 that went 944 and was orange....go figure........

10/19/2003 8:59:12 PM

Ontario

Al also planted a 1236 and he used it for a pollenator on his 842. I don't know what his 1236 ended up at but I remember him saying it had no Dill rings and wasn't particularly ribbed. I guess it's just the luck of the genes in the seeds. Hey, just look at the color differences that the 723 produces.

10/19/2003 9:54:11 PM

Gads

Deer Park WA

Luck of the genes and conditions it is grown in...

10/19/2003 10:34:18 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

I think it was a 741 AE (1236) that grew in a small, uncared for plot, no fert, little if any care.

10/19/2003 10:34:33 PM

Ontario

Enviromental conditions play no factor in the color nor the ribbing or Dill rings. I suppose if due to some circumstances the pumpkin doesn't mature to the point of getting ribbing or Dill rings, then yes your right. The point I was trying to make was that each seed contains a different gene combination that makes it a crap shoot for what comes out. I was unlucky in the fact that my 1236 had Dill rings when other 1236 progeny did not. I loved the size though :0)

10/20/2003 9:18:12 PM

Stouffville

any stories about 842's cracking on dill rings or deep ribs, or other 1236's which had these structural genetic flaws?

10/20/2003 9:55:00 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

The 741 was the mentioned pollinator. Seed was so good it grew 741 sorta on its own.

10/20/2003 10:29:30 PM

Edwards

Hudsonville, Michigan ([email protected])

I'll say this: my 1236 plant was growing VERY aggressively and I was was quite excited about the prospects for the year when I had a freak hailstorm crush my plant shortly after fruit set. All was lost. That was July 20th, at 12:36pm....but I'm not bitter. :(
My 842 was a late germinator, and then it double vined on me and I pulled it early. I'd plant a 1236 again in a heartbeat...if I had one.
Frank

10/21/2003 7:29:04 PM

Tremor

[email protected]

Interesting thread if we read between the lines a little. The genetic variation between seeds taken from the same pumpkin would indicate that any pumpkin *might* exhibit Dill Rings or some other genetic fault. But likewise any 2 pumpkins on the same vine *might* also differ so much as to exhibit little or no Dill Ring one one, while the other crashes & burns. Luck of the draw sometimes.

10/21/2003 9:06:07 PM