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Oz

is it illegal? i was surfing ebay and typed in giant pumpkins. #253211230 came back. seedmart is the nic.cleveland ohio.
they have a pic of howard dill next to a AG.
is this ok? i thought your image,,other than public pics had to be used with permission?maybe this is legit?
hmmmmmmmm..........

10/15/2003 1:43:22 PM

Oz

oops #2353211230

10/15/2003 1:46:48 PM

Ontario, Canada.

Looks like it may be a legit dealer IMHO

10/15/2003 2:01:37 PM

Kuna, Id.

Howard sales a Alantic giant seed you can buy them even at home depot. The point is " Howard sales" they are his to do so with. We can trade them and buy?sale at auctions oked by Howard. Other then that they are not supposed to be for sale.
Ken

10/15/2003 2:19:17 PM

Kuna, Id.

oops sorry that supposed to be "buy/sale"
Ken

10/15/2003 2:20:18 PM

North Ga

Nothing is illegal unless you get caught!! Stupid Laws!!

10/15/2003 3:19:20 PM

i agree with pappy on this one!!!

10/15/2003 3:27:03 PM

Md/ Usa

As of 5/31/04 it will be legal to sell you own AG seeds
because pvp expires then and there is nothing Dill CAN DO ABOUT IT.

10/15/2003 3:34:56 PM

North Ga

Howard Dill is not a god as some would like to believe! He is an instrument of Gods power. Just because he was given an art doesn't mean he is entitled to claim resposibility for the outcome. Nor should he be the ONLY one to reap the benefits of Gods graciousness. Sheesh!!! Stupid laws!!

10/15/2003 3:36:34 PM

Stouffville

god really designed something when he created atoms... cause that led to molecules which led to DNA which led to giants, which always blow me away...anyway, we need some laws because people don't always know what's best for them, but some laws are kinda dumb

10/15/2003 5:11:31 PM

Stouffville

legal in what country matfox, or is this a global thing?

10/15/2003 5:20:49 PM

Stouffville

i think we should all trade freely personally

10/15/2003 5:21:56 PM

Stouffville

what would be the maxed out potential of the 575.5? giants went over 900 when hybrid crosses were made, so our current giants are a result of more than just the work of Howard Dill in the 80's although his effort played a huge, huge role. Laemmle and Ray Waterman created their 'own' lines by growing their own seeds year after year...

10/15/2003 5:30:56 PM

Brillion Wisconsin

I always thought AG seeds came from outer space.

10/15/2003 6:13:29 PM

Stouffville

so of all the seeds that survived entry into our atmosphere, how many caused massive damage to civilization as we know it? Maybe it was an AG seed that eliminated dinosaurs although i guess they wouldn't be called AG seeds then

10/15/2003 6:18:27 PM

Shame Shame Shame to you AG growers, yes Howard is not God but he started this sport and shared with us ; the least we can do is respect his rights until 5/31/04. Where has decency & honor gone. Anyone that wishes to reply to this post is invited to do so in private as not to shame all of the growers that are not quick buck artist or crooks. My line is open. Bill VanIderstine

10/15/2003 7:03:37 PM

North Ga

Ya, right VanIderstine like I give a rats ass what your opinion is.

10/15/2003 7:26:54 PM

Stouffville

i'm just curious how is the AG defined in the patent?

10/15/2003 7:50:50 PM

Stouffville

and where did Howard Dill get his original seeds from? I know that there were 400lbers grown at the start of the century, but what happened in between?

10/15/2003 7:51:54 PM

Tacoma, WA

Similar to humanity, the large pumpkin decended into the "Dark Ages". Rather than 1000 years, the pumpkin was given new life 60 years later by Howard Dill.

Stan

10/15/2003 8:38:36 PM

Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

Winter already...Jeeze I dont even have mine carved yet. Its a PVP a little different than a patent.

10/15/2003 8:52:59 PM

Stouffville

what's a PVP?

10/15/2003 9:00:30 PM

Stouffville

and how is an AG defined in it?

10/15/2003 9:01:28 PM

Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

Plant Variety Protection... Used when a new plant variety is introduced. Often when you buy plants at a greenhouse you will see PVP Propagation Prohibited. I respect Howards right to this. He has allowed alot of good fund raising to the organizations. He has been very liberal as far as what goes on. I would not push him on this, because he will enforce it.

10/15/2003 9:11:40 PM

Whidbey Island

For all of you complaining about patents, just remember you are using a computer with patents and you paid for them fair and square. If you have ever been to Howard Dills' place you will realize he is a modest man who did not make a fortune off his "discovery". He worked on it, perfected it, just like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, and should be rewarded for it by having exclusive rights to sell it for a specified period of time. That time is about up and the market will dictate the future of the AG strain. Until then you should be thankful that he even worked on his crazy little hobby years ago, otherwise you would be doing something else far less interesting by now.

10/15/2003 9:11:58 PM

Stouffville

how is an AG defined?

10/15/2003 9:15:46 PM

Vermont

I agree Howard put long hours and a lot of years into the AG and if you stop and think you may be better off trading otherwise you may have an empty walet trying to buy a Khun 712 or any Bobier seed

10/15/2003 9:20:29 PM

Mulino, Oregon

You guys may be correct regarding the patent running out in 2004, HOWEVER, Howard and Danny still own the trademark. My suggestion, if you do wish to sell seeds, is that you contact Howard and Danny Dill and ask their permission, otherwise don't spoil a good thing. Trading and auctions are just much more enjoyable. Just my two cents worth

10/15/2003 9:35:51 PM

New Brunswick

Howard Dill spent years of his time perfecting the A.G. and was willing to share seeds with the rest of us. I think he earned his patent...as Whidbeypumpkinman says "we would be doing something else far less interesting by now" ....and here we have this wonderful passtime...and all thanks to Mr. Dill. Hats off to him. And afterall, we can sell the entire pumpkin...it is just the seed that was restricted. And we can still "give" or "trade" the seed away to each other so what is the beef??? Do you have to make money on everything?? I certainly plan on sharing my seed..FREE. True, they are only from 422 pound pumpkins but around here, there are a lot of people that would be happy with my seed. In fact I have several people just waiting till I harvest my seed at halloween time. Besides, I would not have my seed to give away if it were not for Bill Vanderstine, who generously shared seed with me last winter. I also plan on harvesting seed from a very nice 280 pounder from seed given to me by Doug Gardner. Lets enjoy this hobby and try not to be so greedy!

10/15/2003 9:37:55 PM

Stouffville

quoting an article "Mr. Laemmle obtained his original seeds from Richard Wright, a farmer in Allentown, New Jersey, and proceeded to grow pumpkins from the mid 80s to early 90s."

does anyone know where Richard Wright got his seeds from?

10/15/2003 9:41:58 PM

Garden

Since I was told that the patent was going to expire, I have been worried that people are going to start selling seeds to the highest bidder. To place a monetary value on these seeds could potentially alienate many people from this hobby. I personally am grateful that people have been so generous as to give me seeds at no charge. I know that if the dollar/sterling/yen whatever had come into play, I may have never even been introduced to this hobby.
Heres a question- If people do start selling seeds, or even for those of you that trade seeds now, how do you know that you are getting the seed you were told it was?
I mean, a seed looks like a seed to me??

10/15/2003 10:51:13 PM

Deer Park WA

I believe that a humble gourd (Squash) started the AG strain and that there is no "patent" on them. Also looking back on the great discoveries of our time once the patent wore off it was capatilizm at it's finest/worst. There are enough of us growers in the world now that demand will be checked by supply anyway.

10/15/2003 11:04:28 PM

Deer Park WA

PS Howard Dill is and always will be the father of Atlantic Giants in my mind, he sold me my first seed for $10 bucks...

10/15/2003 11:07:13 PM

Ljubljana, Slovenia

Just a point: there are so many good seeds around (thanks to Dill) that there will always be free seeds available even after pvp expires. But if somebody would like to have the hottest seed he will pay for it. I won’t.

10/16/2003 6:24:18 AM

Nova Scotia

i feel personnaly that those so quick to sell the seeds befor howards pateint wears off are crooks thus they will sell you any seed and call it whatever gets the best $. so were do the crooks stop if they think one law is stupid? they are basically a smaller form of terroist. if it were not for paintent laws most inventors would say what the hell and we'd be much worse off on a hole.

10/16/2003 8:26:57 AM

Stouffville

personally i think trading and seed auctions are the way to go...and I also think that these 'crooks' who are trying to make a fast buck, if they exist, really won't get very far since there are so many nice growers out there who are willing to trade, or even give seeds away.

10/16/2003 9:47:08 AM

Pulaski Tn [email protected]

i think we all need to take some pvc pipe and crook it so that it gets all bound up and puts lead in your pencil so when the pumpkin comes out it will fly over the tree through the rabbit hole hit the string which will then cause the geiger counter to swerve over to the left beside the old clump of bushes where everbody walks past..thats where you will find the gold..

10/16/2003 9:50:18 AM

Oz

sounds like you been eating those funky field mushrooms blkcloud.
mr t please go easy with that terrorist thing.
i chat with some people who call themselves muslims.
i follow the teachings of jesus.and i am loyal to the constitution.not the patriot act!
im sure my chatting with muslims allowed "agent/s" of the us govt to come into my home and search it with out a warrant or notification.
i belive it was motivated by someone("agent")i sold some property to.
ie a land grab attempt.
they found nothing,but the next time a "agent" wants something i have,it will be easier to violate my rights.
sorry to trail off subject,,,
the second part of the Q is the unauthorized use of your image..............?

10/16/2003 11:11:43 AM

White Plains, NY

MCPUMPKIN,

Did I miss something in Mr. T's comment. How did you get onto a Muslim thing by the mention of the word terrorist? A terrorist can be anyone.

Aren't you the same person that shot someone in the foot with a 25 cal.?????

10/16/2003 4:25:45 PM

Ontario

This is getting old guys, we go thru this every off season

drew

10/16/2003 4:43:46 PM

Garden State Pumpkins

Yikes! early for winter!! Poor dog!

10/16/2003 5:15:36 PM

Oz

yes,when he leveled his 30-06 at me he got shot.
i could have used the.44mag.
hmmm i wonder if he was trying to terrorize me?
the word terrorist gets kicked around too easy.
thats what im saying.
i dont see anybody as a terrorist due to religious beliefs.

i do belive laws are abused in the name of terrorist hunting.
and i belive my relationship with,,whats the term,,potential terrorists,, allowed a search of my home,for no good reason.

there was a tea party in boston long ago,,,held by terrorists.

10/16/2003 5:49:57 PM

Erin,Ontario.

If I ever have to buy seeds I sure know now who I won't be contacting......What a load of drivle!!!

10/16/2003 5:56:41 PM

Syracuse, NY

let's just say:
seeds from AGs will always be FREE from RESPECTABLE
growers for the polite asking for, or the TRADING of seeds
in return. Anyone who wants to sell his or her AG seeds,
whether there is a patent or PVP or trademark on the AG
seeds or not, is on his or her own. It may someday be up to those who want to sell them. Let's just see how big the pumpkins get to be in the patches of the seed-sellers.
I doubt very much that they will be worth paying money for the seeds from them! The way it is is the way it should be.

10/16/2003 6:54:50 PM

Yes Drew we do, with respect, only months left & still the dog's can't wait to wreck a special sport given to us by a guy who still has the best priced seed on the net. I'm ashamed that we AG growers (some in Ontario) wouldn't give the respect rightfully derserved by him. All I can say is I hope their seasons go like mine has the last two years, shitty.

10/16/2003 7:57:13 PM

This was soupposed to be a private form, what happend,Only one reply, private, lot of you shooting off your gums in public saying nothing,Are you too ashamed to discuss the facts as they are. Pappy you don't count, non existant LOL

10/16/2003 8:05:14 PM

Ljubljana, Slovenia

It’s off the topic but I agree with MCPUMPKIN that the word terrorist is used too easily. What about Chechens and Indians a century ago?

10/17/2003 3:25:02 AM

Itzetown City

Jernej, whom does it care?

By all what i´ve read before, Dill in one way had done a lot for the pumpkin growing world. On the other way, he only get his well right if he get his brand and pvp. To all they call that bad, what is wrong about if a man only get his right? Who will complaine it?
Remember, by the rules of pvp it is forbidden to save seeds and use selfsaved seeds. Did Dill ever take complained on anyone who saved and exchanged seeds?

I guess there will not a lot of changing after pvp expired.
There are growers also right now they buy seeds for more or less money by Dill, by p&p or in auctions and seed raffle. May be there are a few of them would trust in new upcoming sellers. I´m sure that most other growers would do it in the same way as in the past, trade and give away as gift.

Not new upcoming sellers but the growers on the further way will decide and i assume they will decide correctly.

10/17/2003 5:02:42 AM

Nova Scotia

good point's boehnke. mcpumpkin i did not mean to offend anyone with the word terrorist and if i did i think your a little to sensitive. as well capt is right anyone can be a terrorist not just religious people or foreigners.

10/17/2003 8:16:18 AM

Ljubljana, Slovenia

To finish the debate on terrorism: yes everybody can be a terrorist even us the pumpkin growers. Most of us spray the pumpkins with all kinds of poisons killing an enormous number of species from bacteria, fungi, plants and animals. It’s a religious war for our God: the Pumpkin.

10/17/2003 8:52:13 AM

[email protected]

Winter message board chaos theory at it's finest here folks!

Did anyone hear the one about the Boston Red Sox fan, the terrorist & the Giant Pumpkin grower & the Patent lawyer?

You see they all arrived at this ball park, & the field is littered with smashed pumpkin remains. So the Boston fan turns to the terrorist................

Have a great day.

10/17/2003 10:02:13 AM

Key West, FL

I was just thinking the same thing before I read your post Steve.

10/17/2003 11:06:57 AM

North Ga

I knew I would get your goat Bill!! LMAO!!

10/17/2003 12:15:04 PM

North Ga

I apologize to anybody I have disrespected in this thread. My 16 yr.old dog is in really bad shape and I guess I had to vent my frustrations somewhere. He's like losing a child to me. Again, my apologies.

10/17/2003 12:33:38 PM

[email protected]

Sorry about your Dog Pappy. It's not easy losing a friend. I feel for you.

10/17/2003 3:10:35 PM

niagara falls

if it comes to buying seeds all the time,then this is one less hobby I'am doing!!!!!!!!!and for the person thats going to sell seeds on EBAY--YOU SR ARE AN @#$%&*%A_S_O_E!

10/17/2003 3:43:31 PM

North Ga

Thanks Steve, I am really bummed out!
shtick,I will gladly give you all the seeds you want "Except for the 10 I will start next season". Nothing special, but they are all AGs. e-mail me.

10/17/2003 3:57:05 PM

No problem Pappy, we are still in the same sport, just difference of options, but hell that is what this world is all about, wouldn't it be hell if we all agreed on all things LOL

10/17/2003 7:04:18 PM

North Ga

Thanks Bill.

10/17/2003 7:10:22 PM

Oz

pappy,i have a 14 yr and 13yr dog. one saved my life on halsted and roosevelt in chicago with a smile. the other gave me comfort when i lost my dad. i know they dont have long,,,
i knew they would only be around so long,,,
a puppy now might help.
i know of a six month old brown doobie/?hound? mix.
she needs a good home.where she lives now is neglect.
if i didnt bring her food and water she would look like some of the horrors i saw in detroit.
maybe she will get loose and hitch a ride to a good owner...

10/17/2003 11:50:22 PM