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Pumpkintown, SC

What is this seed's true genetics? Aggc says 827 x 722. But that could be because as few as one person thought/provided that(I think). Not sure though. I have had another very reputable grower who has been growing since well before then tell me it is an 827 x self...Backed up by some literature he had. Who is right? Which is correct? Any help here... BF
PS. I don't know if this matters or whether it might prompt more responses, but, I am planning to plant this seed this year provided I can get clarification of it's genetics so as to make an educated cross <:^}>

4/9/2003 11:45:52 AM

syracuse, ny

i took a trip down memory lane--certainly one of the longest i've EVER taken, next to the 567.5 Mombert
family tree---the only ones i saw that were selfed
827 Holland were the 836 Craven, 832 Jammer, both from '93,
and a 400 uow Langevin from '96, if any of that helps.

i would trust the aggc...besides it is so far back that whatever cross you are trying to make will have to have another seed with equally-as-genuine genetics to support your educated cross, if there's any sense in there, then good. hope i'm helping!
anyway,
836 Craven 1993 827.0 Holland 1992 Self-Pollinated
832 Jammer 1993 UOW 827.0 Holland 1992 Self-pollinated
400 Langevin 1996 UOW 827.0 Holland 1992 Self-Pollinated

4/9/2003 6:49:29 PM

Pumpkintown, SC

Pumpkinpal, where exactly was your trip down memory lane? Aggc site, old literature from the day, grower from back then, etc? I have a very creditable "heavy hitter" that says he has literature "from the day" that say 827 x 827.
I practically live on the aggc site so I put a lot of merit in what is there. However, when I have conflicting info like I do here, I just wonder how many people may have contributed info on that particular seed(on the aggc site)? My potential crosses all have "equally-as-genuine genetics." I just don't know which to use, based on the above genetic question. ????? BF

4/10/2003 10:31:26 AM

syracuse, ny

i used the AGGC also, SOLELY.
i changed the menu to include all years of fruit, brought up the Holland 827 of 92, and had a look at the monsterous family tree of the progeny. i'm sure there are other ways to do it, but i scrolled down the list and stopped-in at every direct offspring at the far left, and checked off to the right for the ones that were "X self-pollinated"....
there were only 3, the ones that i mentioned, and from that we can only be certain that those 3 are the only ones ever REPORTED to the AGGC. i guess the next step is to find out and ask whoever reported the info to the AGGC, but i did not see Norm Craven's email in the member list...
i don't think i have helped at all, except for becoming more fluent on the AGGC myself..there are new things to be discovered. i wish you good luck in your quest! 'pal

4/10/2003 1:36:26 PM

Pumpkintown, SC

No new info, but I definitely appreciate your response. I'm sure someone out there has the info somewhere. It's just a matter of the right person seeing this thread and taking the time to do a little research. I hope someone will do this for me, BF <:^}>

4/10/2003 5:15:49 PM

Long Island,New York

I checked my seed packet that came from Craven and he doesnt have the seed parentage on it.........G

4/10/2003 7:03:43 PM

Kansas

Congrat's to the Syracuse Orangemen Pumpkinpal. They kicked butt against my Kansas Jayhawks. But theres always next year.

Shawn

4/11/2003 2:08:56 AM

Pumpkintown, SC

Thanks for checking Glen, BF

4/11/2003 9:36:05 AM

Pumpkintown, SC

Hey Glen, if you planted your 755, what cross would you believe your were planting? BF

4/11/2003 10:06:51 AM

Long Island,New York

827 x 722

4/11/2003 10:10:21 AM