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Chester Co., PA

Here's a heads-up that might save somebody from driving all over the countryside. For most of us there is no way to grow giants without mildew control. After searching in vain for Ortho Daconil this spring I discovered they had changed the name to "Garden Disease Control'. It's still in the same dark green bottle and there is a message in the corner of the label stating 'formerly Daconil'.

3/27/2003 10:54:48 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

I can get labeled "Daconil" at my local Co-op. Depends on the brand you get, I suppose.

3/27/2003 11:04:48 AM

South Hill, Virginia

They did the same thing to Isotox. I can't remember what they call it now but it said on the bottle "formerly Isotox". Reminds me of the Artist Formerly Known as Prince.

3/27/2003 11:39:34 AM

Webster, NY

I saw the "formally isotox" bottle and was wondering what was up. I use isotox every other week during SVB season. I'm glad I can still get it.

3/27/2003 1:09:15 PM

Western Pa.

SVrich,

So tell me, what is the artist formerly known as Prince good for? Cuke beetles, SVB's, mildew, repelling rats, scaring away critters? Or does his,(I use "his" loosely!) appearance just scare the plants into growing? Maybe it's the purple rain.

3/27/2003 2:39:36 PM

South Hill, Virginia

I guess I should've clarified. I am not reminded of the former Prince because of simalities in controlling powdery mildew (though I don't know for sure that he cannot control powdery mildew). I'm reminded because of the name change to something kind of generic. Who knows, maybe they will change the name next year from "Garden Disease Control" to "Stuff in a Green Bottle". And maybe the "Artist Formerly Known As Prince" will become "Some Guy Who Wears Sissy Pants". :)

3/27/2003 3:19:59 PM

Western Pa.

As I get older, there are certain parts of my life that I choose to simply push out of my mind and forget. The "artist", (And I use this term VERY loosely!) formerly known as prince, is one of them. Ranks right up there with hemarroids! If he wasn't anything but a pansy "sissy" he would have driven a REAL motorcycle in those distorted, surreal movies (Harley- Davidson!). I take it back. prince is the reason God created Honda, to keep his, (used loosely) likes off of Harley's!

3/27/2003 5:19:12 PM

[email protected]

I can't speak for Ortho, but commercial grades of Chlorothalinil (Daconil included) are all losing the registration wars. About five years ago, the Clinton/Gore clan got many contact fungicides fast tracked out of the hands of consumers & even commercial operators who want to use them on residential properties.

This was the same fate as Dursban, which was previously the most commonb insecticide in the world. Lorsban (ag version) has been limited as has Dursban's use on Golf Courses.

In the case of fungicides, we're talking about old molecules of off patent technology. No patent means anyone can make a molecule. So if the feds suddenly require piles of new toxicological studies be done, who's gonna pay for it. Would I be willing to fork over $3 million to market off patent chemicals to a homeowner when my competitor can clone my non patent protected label & then comnpete with me for your business? Of course not. So I do the tox study on patented technology that remains exclusive for me long enough to pay off the millions in R&D, toxicology, & ground water tests. When all's done, maybe even make a profit.

Steve

3/27/2003 7:04:07 PM

[email protected]

We still have loads of Non restricted Turf & Ornamental chlorothalanil that's legal on residential properties. It's labeled for use on Pumpkins too I think.

But it's days are numbered too. No matter how much more the patented materials cost, we soon won't have a choice but to use them. But the costs are what scare the retail market suppliers. They don't believe the consumer market will pay for the advanced chemistries even if they do work better. Try comparing Quadris/Heritage with Daconil side by side. Farmers & other pros do.

Don't for one minute believe that a product that is labeled "formerly know as whatever" is the same thing. Read the active ingredient to be sure. Significant cost differences could mean significant crop failures if the active ingredients are not similar in mode of action.

What is the name of the Ortho green bottles active ingredient? Isotox was Dimethoate.

Steve

3/27/2003 7:15:56 PM

[email protected]

Woops. Research shows the last version of Isotox was actually Acephate. There's still plenty of that around too. These consumer chemical guys are too much.

3/27/2003 7:43:26 PM

Amherst, WI

Darn it, now whenever I think of powdery mildew, I'm gonna think about that prince guy.... both undesirable things. In the future if I ask you guys for help in controlling a bad case of "prince" on my plants, you know what I mean.

3/27/2003 10:55:50 PM

porterville,california usa

Randooo... instead of thinking of that .....thing called prince. it`s much better to think of his ex....Kim Bassinger, next time you see pm. you`ll never look at mildew the same again.

3/28/2003 1:08:46 AM

Chester Co., PA

Steve,
The active ingredient in Garden Disease Control formerly known as 'Ortho Daconil' is Chlorothalonil 29.6% and 70.4% other ingredients. That is exactly the same formula as the old Daconil.

Don't know about the rest of the U.S. but in this overly regulated state 'Daconil' is no longer available, along with most other products that actually worked.

4/1/2003 10:43:38 AM