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Bristol, ME ([email protected])

Like the title says I'm planning for next year already..I have an area between my patch this year and my garden that overgrown with tiger lily, goldenrod and som white flowery crap. I want to clear out this area and turn it into more patch as I am incorporating the regular garden next year for punkies...no I don't have it bad...hehe My question to you guys is what can I use to nuke the junk in the area I want to clear and not affect the pumkins next spring. I also have some grass/sod I want to get rid of in the existing patch. Any advice on what I can use after frost to kill the garbage in between the patch and the garden without contaminating the area for pumkin growing next spring would bring praise and indebtedness from this humble rookie...

Help me Please.....

8/29/2002 5:49:44 PM

Key West, FL

i think i heard that round up didnt leave chemicals behind?

8/29/2002 6:08:51 PM

Garden State Pumpkins

Benface is right, also best to do it when the plant is growing not at a dormant stage so now or early spring would be the best to get started. If you wait till frost then the sap is not flowing..It's contact chemical so only spray what you want to get rid of. different blends for woody plants and grasses. Grow Em Big! Chuck
ps and when the trees get in the way a sixteen ton bulldozer works great!

8/29/2002 6:16:46 PM

Bristol, ME ([email protected])

My main objective is to eliminate then forever. The area is close to the present patch, withing 6 feet so I need as much info as I can get, I'm not familiar with these chemicals and since I am planning on going absolutley full tilt with pumkins next year, I don't want to harm anything while killing the junk right to the roots so it never comes back...

8/29/2002 6:31:02 PM

Key West, FL

round up will do the job!! so this fall spray the hell out of the crap you dont want. you dont have trees right these are just bushes? lillys have bulbs and when you till you will dig them all up and they will be gone anyway withought the round up

8/29/2002 6:34:05 PM

Tacoma, WA

Round-Up is a "contact" vegetation killer. It leaves no residue and is neutrilized by the UV in one day. New weeds can start growing in three days!! You need to keep spraying throughtout the winter or keep the ground "worked up" until you are ready for the spring.

Stan

8/29/2002 7:07:08 PM

Key West, FL

or he could plant a cover crop like winter rye?

8/29/2002 7:41:40 PM

Deer Park WA

You could mow down the vegitation and cover the ground with sheets of cheap clear plastic and hold it down with dirt. That will cook the weeds quick, leave the plastic on all winter and then plow everything next spring.

8/30/2002 10:31:49 AM

Southern Illinois

peepers is right,the weeds will come back,after you spray with round up and it is very costly,so why waste your money,go to your local coop dealer they will have a crop protection reference book,and it will tell you what is safe to spray on your pumpkin patch,they do have chemicals that will kill on contact which is a post spray and have a pre-emergence that will keep the seed from coming up,this will be all in one chemical,alot of pumpkin farmers use command 4 ec it is a pre-emergence it will kill the seed in the ground,there are so many chemicals that are safe for pumpkins,go to www.bluebook.net and order a cpr book then you can read and figure out what is the best chemical for you to use.

8/30/2002 10:57:21 AM

Cornwall UK.(50N 5W)300ft.

The chemical in Roundup is called Glyphosphate all spray manufacturers have an equivalent usually cheaper product with this same chemical.If you have established perennial weeds its the best thing to use because it doesn't matter how big the weed is.

8/30/2002 1:29:15 PM

Southern Illinois

glyphosphate-rattler -roundup and honcho,honcho is a cheap version of round up 37.00 gallon ,roundup 57.00 gallon,those three are pumpkin patch safe to use,other chemicals with glyphosphate,2-4 d,landmaster,field master,fallow master,polado l,ranger,credit can also be used in pumpkin patch,accord,rodeo,maverick.

8/30/2002 3:23:56 PM

Kuna, Id.

hh are you saying that these chemicals can be sprayed on pkns? I may be misunderstanding what your saying. Or are you saying they can be sprayed before you plant?
Ken

8/30/2002 4:11:20 PM

Southern Illinois

ken i was just posting chemicals with glyphosphate,rattler,roundup,honcho and credit are the only herbicides,with glyphosphate in them that can be sprayed in a pumpkin patch that is safe to use,you can only use them before you plant to kill any weeds that are in your patch only,sorry for the confusion.

8/30/2002 6:03:21 PM

Bristol, ME ([email protected])

ok, I got roundup and Ortho Kleeraway. The clearaway has the Glyphosate, just not as concentrated as Roundup.
Since the area is only about 6 feet away in either direction from the patches, I'm thinking I should wait until after I harvest. If we happen to get a light frost before harvest will it still work on the goldenrod and junk since they are much hardier then pumpkin plants. Also, I plan on adding soil into this area to level it off so there may not be much tilling done in the lilies. I guess I know what to do but the last thing on the planet I want to do is screw up next year because of my rookie ignorance.

8/30/2002 8:47:14 PM

Kuna, Id.

hh, Dang I thought you new a way that was much easier then the old fasion way. But I now understand thanks I will arm myself with some of those products for next yr.
Ken

8/30/2002 10:40:20 PM

Southern Illinois

treflan tr 10 is a granular herbicide,it is a pre emergence it can be thrown in your pumpkin patch when there is at least 4 leafs,it will kill many annualy grasses and broadleaf weeds,i have used,it works,it comes in a 50 lb bag and it is cheap under 50 dollars,dacthal is a pre emergence it comes in a powder mix with water you can spray this on your pumpkins and it will not hurt them they need to be at 4 leaf stage it cost 16.00 4lb bag,have 4 bags in garage it works good,cobra is not listed to use on pumpkins but i have used it the last 2 years,it is a pre-emergence and a post emergence,and it works great but 160 dollars a gallon it dont take much,select 2 ec is a grass killer post spray have used it works real well you can spray it on your pumpkins,ken if you want to try any of these herbicides i can send you some for next year and you can check it out for your self,

8/31/2002 12:01:07 AM

Long Island,New York

Please be reminded that "wont hurt" , "doesn't kill" and "wont Harm" are terms generally used for field pumpkins and commercial growers....that these products may not significantly effect the yield of a pumpkin farm or that losses/harm may be tolerable on a risk-reward scale to the commercial growers.....but for a competition grower who doesnt want to even slow down a special plant they may have effects on the plant. Labels and summaries by chemical companies and farmers are written around yield,cost, and profit, terms....NOT that extra 50-100lbs WE are looking for................G

8/31/2002 8:08:04 AM

Northern Ohio

Caan you use Preen when you are getting the patcvh ready?
mary

8/31/2002 6:00:29 PM

Southern Illinois

so long island what you are saying that the pictures that i see posted with 600-800 lb pumpkins every where in the patch,and as much as they water,and there are no weeds,and they are out there walking around in the patch steping on there vines to pull weeds,it is just hard to imagine that they are not using some type of weed killer,if you have only one or two plants maybe you can find time to step on a few vines or step on a few leafs to pull a bunch of weeds,i use a post herbicide like poast or poast plus,you cover your vines and weed start to come up,well the only thing showing is a stem and a leaf,and there is a bunch of all types of grass every where,you would rather pull the grass and disturb the root system of the pumpkin plant,are spray with poast herbicide that is safe to spray on any vegetable that we eat,and it only will kill grass,not broad leaf,when i spray i dont get on the leaf i stick the nozzle of the sprayer under the leaf then spray the grass ,by doing that it will take 50 to 100 lb off the size of my pumpkin,i just cant see that happening,please explain to me how that would be.

9/1/2002 8:04:01 AM