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canal winchester ohio

I know everyone wants that world record orange pumpkin. But who's taking a chance and also crossing over to the DARK SIDE of green squash.
Just wondering who on the list is willing to take a walk on the wild side...........Paul

2/12/2002 8:50:03 AM

Utah

not me... that's for sure !
:)
gordon

2/12/2002 9:28:29 AM

Grants Pass, Oregon

hey Paul- Glenn has me crossing over to the dark side this year. I will be crossing his 218 with his 455. I will be growing orange to....Carrie

2/12/2002 12:58:58 PM

Choctaw, OK

going to grow four seeds with chance of throwing green. Two should throw green for sure, one will be 50/50, and i think the other will throw a pumpkin, but who knows.
case

2/12/2002 12:59:05 PM

canal winchester ohio

Carrie, We all know what the 455 has done but I think you are going to be surprised how well the 218 does. I would pick it as a must have "sleeper" seed.....Paul

2/12/2002 1:15:21 PM

Indiana

I will be growing a darky.
Tom Beachy

2/12/2002 1:45:51 PM

North Ga

I'm going with the 455 and a 771 Stellpflug

2/12/2002 2:28:27 PM

Western NY

here's the ones i'll have with a chance of green: 616* corkum, 815 andersen and my 535*(definately green). then in the "test plot" 703* smith, my 522*, 411* inzero, 303.5* chambers, and my 175.

2/12/2002 2:34:28 PM

porterville, calif.

I will be growing a 455

2/12/2002 3:42:48 PM

Western Pa.

Paul,

I'd be GREEN with envy if you beat me, so I guess I'll have to grow one now. Besides, I love a walk on the WILD SIDE!
(And the colored girls go "doot ta doot" doot doot da dooty da doot")

kilr

2/12/2002 5:07:31 PM

Long Island,New York

You Betcha ! Is there anything else?.............G

2/12/2002 5:08:42 PM

Southeast

rEAL MEN DONT GROW GREEN

2/12/2002 5:29:39 PM

Rexburg, Idaho ([email protected] )

The only green I want to see is on the vines and leaves. I would probably cull the plant if it throws green fruit.

2/12/2002 5:44:41 PM

canal winchester ohio

Come on guys, there's no need to fear the green. Unless your only in this for the money. Because we know green don't pay jack. I don't care if I get paid anything, pumpkins & squash are in my blood........Paul

2/12/2002 5:50:18 PM

Stratham NH

Paul, hope the seeds don't clog your arteries!!!
My best,
Bernie

2/12/2002 6:28:47 PM

Stratham NH

Paul, hope the seeds don't clog your arteries!!!
My best,
Bernie

2/12/2002 6:30:58 PM

Liverpool , England

Yo Paul,
I am growing one of glenn's greenies...and when somebody grows a 1300lb green meenie...everyone will be going green.


Alun

2/12/2002 7:27:00 PM

canal winchester ohio

Alun you are so right.

2/12/2002 7:41:15 PM

Long Island,New York

Paul....your subject line is flawed..."who's growing a little green" should read...."who's growing a BIG green"....lol

2/12/2002 7:58:25 PM

Cornelius, Oregon

Its not easy being green.... I fear no green in my patch. 2 More 900 Lyons, 895 Hester, and a couple more that have that green potential. Does anyone think that a true all green squash can do the 1263 thing?????

2/12/2002 8:30:00 PM

Long Island,New York

Lets just hope Geneva doesn't take up squash.........G

2/12/2002 8:53:14 PM

canal winchester ohio

I for one thinks a green squash CAN do the 1263 thing. something to ponder what happens if a "true" squash outweighs all others at the GPC? Does it get it's petty cash,while the lighter pumpkin gets the big bucks...hmmmmm.

2/12/2002 9:03:37 PM

Farmington, Utah

OK Paul. Last year we,kids and I, grew the state record squash(actually a squmpkin). The kids didn't seem to care it had a lot of green in it and neither did I. This year we're going to break that record with a true greeny!! May the force be with us Paul!!!!!

2/12/2002 9:15:16 PM

Greencastle, PA

I'm pround to be green!

2/12/2002 11:00:46 PM

Mulino, Oregon

Hey, with any luck green will pay this year at the Hoffman Dairy Garden. We are shooting for at least 1G. You never know. As for me the 895 Hester x 598 Sherwood (Big & heavy!)

2/13/2002 1:14:33 AM

canal winchester ohio

Atta'boy Kenny, If you break the record with a greenie somebody has to take notice....

2/13/2002 7:57:53 AM

Deer Park, WI

I like playing with numbers, so here's something to think about- The 990 Hebb (the REAL WR squash IMO) is 78% as big as the 1262 emmons. Compare this to the percentage of growers who plant squash- which i guess is roughly 10-20%, if that. Just imagine if greenies got the attention orangies did- I would put money down that there would have been a 1300+ green one already. Oh yeah- IM proudly growing the 703 Smith.

2/13/2002 9:05:52 AM

Utah

Paul-
people who don't grow green are "only in it for the money"?
.... give me a break paul...i offended by that statement.... and you know that isn't true.
what people can't have a personal perference ?
they can't grow and wish for traditional orange color pumpkins ?
I think people who grow green only do it for two reasons.
1. they can't compete in the world of orange
2. they have to be unique, different, the one who wants to stands out in a crowd. attention grabbers because they lack an inner self confidence.

... of course that is not true ... but i can play the
game too - if you want?
so get of your high green squash and don't go off on people who want to grow orange - just because you don't!
respectfully yours,

gordon

2/13/2002 10:21:46 AM

canal winchester ohio

Gordon, I grow orange also. I was just seeing who would grow green this year. And I said "UNLESS" you are in it for the money. I didn't say everyone who does it is in it for the money. I CAN compete in the world of orange, but I also would like to be the first to grow 1000 & green. I do not need to be different or stand out. I'm just the opposite I'm a recluse.
And I'm NOT playing a game, did I respond badly when David said REAL MEN DON'T GROW GREEN? No I didn't. If this playing is getting to you. Then I ask everyone to stop this thread now & I will never play or horse around on the site out of fear of offending anyone.
Gordon, I don't have a serious bone in my body & I don't mean harm to anyone. If I offended you I am truly sorry.........Paul
Oh yea. I wish you the best of luck & I hope you have a personal best with your pumpkins this year.

2/13/2002 10:53:01 AM

Choctaw, OK

gordon, paul did not mean to offend anyone.....everyone else knew what he meant. If you want to grow all nice orange pumpkins, go ahead, i don't think anyone would complain. You are making too big of deal out of it. If it offends you, fine....don't let it get in your way of being a good person though...

900* Lyons, 744* Welty, 535* Wolf, and 40* uow Neuville (596* Johnson x 788 Wentzell 99) will be grown by me this year, each were a squash, not all will throw squash probably. surprises are fun.

Case

2/13/2002 10:53:15 AM

Ga.

It's ALL GOOD!!I want to grow a squash,,just to see....My first year with ag's was a sucess for me..143 pounds is good,,for me any way,,being first sucessful year..Tried a few other times with no sucess...Green,,Orange,,Green speckled w/orange,,Orange speckled w/green,,,I get a thrill just from watching these monsters grow....
What came first,,the squash,,or thge AG??They are related,,and close relation at that....Look at all the charactaristics...I say green came first....So if I'm right,,,we are all growing from the squash family...Happy Growing everybody.....

2/13/2002 11:39:11 AM

South Hill, Virginia

I wouldn't think there are very many growers that are in it for the money. Of the thousands of pumpkins grown, very very few win any kind of substantial amount of cash. I think you would probably have better expected value playing the lottery.

But if you choose to throw logic to the wind and grow simply for the payoff then good for you. There is nothing wrong with getting paid for honest work.

2/13/2002 11:54:43 AM

Webster, NY

I got some squash seeds from Andy Wolf (Thanks Andy), but I have limited space and am not sure if I'll try growing it this year or next. I really do like the traditional orange pumpkins, but after reading all the posts on this site, who knows....

2/13/2002 12:52:26 PM

Tipp City, Ohio

I am intersted in growing green as well as white/creme. What seeds would you all reccomend? I think this year, for me, will be more for gaining experience than records(as long as I break my last years weight of 184)lol....Tom

2/13/2002 1:27:35 PM

Southeast

Real Men Grow Green

2/13/2002 8:06:05 PM

Western Pa.

Which is it, PMKNMD? (Look at the 12th posting above)

2/13/2002 8:12:51 PM

CT

why green?

2/13/2002 10:35:59 PM

Rexburg, Idaho ([email protected] )

I'll retract my last statement and on second thought I will grow a long "green" gourd.

2/13/2002 11:27:53 PM

Choctaw, OK

lol..thats the spirit brain!!

2/14/2002 11:41:33 AM

Choctaw, OK

brian...i alway spell brian wrong

2/14/2002 11:51:21 AM

Deer Park WA

Had it right the first time Case! I tried to grow a jolly green giant once, but the dang thing turned into a pumpkin. I figured it was a sign, so now I try to just grow orange ones....

2/14/2002 8:32:30 PM

Roanoke Il

green orange who cares just grow them that is the only thing that is important and have fun. Green can grow orange orange can grow green or they can grow a mixed fuit. For all that only grow orange are you going to leave a green 1000lber home just because your you like orange i think not. If it wasn't for green we probably wouldn't be enjoying 1200 pluss pound fruits. Best of luck this year Mark...P

2/14/2002 9:13:40 PM

That State Up North

Green can go 1200+, I had some at 98" and 102" circumference for tall dark green squash at 25 days from my 744. Unfortunatly I am stupid, and ruined my plants so I didn't get good growth the rest of the season. 744 may not be my best squash seed. I have been working on developeing many great squash seeds. If you want to grow green, I have lots of great squash seeds for free, you all know the drill, self addressed stamped bubble pack, a note for what you want, and I will fill it up and send it back.

Nic Welty
3339 Schellin Rd.
Smithville, OH 44677
USA

p.s. The 947 won't grow green, and isn't included in the offer

2/15/2002 12:21:40 AM

western Kentucky

I have to agree with jeff,.... "IT'S ALL GOOD"... i think that i might try growing me a greenie... maybe i will have better luck with them than i do with the orange... lol.. oh wait nevermind.. i tried growing a squash this year too.. it died along with everything else...

Justin

2/15/2002 2:06:27 AM

Pulaski Tn [email protected]

I'M GOING TO BE STRAIGHT UP WITH ALL OF Y'ALL I'M IN IT STRICTLY FOR THE MONEY!! LAST YEAR I GOT 2ND PLACE AT THE REGIONAL FAIR WITH MY 100LB PUMPKIN BECAUSE THE OTHER ONE "LOOKED" BIGGER THAN MINE.REMEMBER I PLANTED IT IN JUNE SO I THINKS I DID PRETTY WELL..WELL THIS YEAR I'M TAKING A BIG JOHN DEERE GREEN SQUASH OVER THERE AND I'M NOT LEAVING TILL I GET THE $$10.00 FIRST PLACE MONEY INSTEAD OF THE $4.00 SECOND PLACE I GOT LAST YEAR!!!! HEY THATS PRETTY GOOD MONEY CONSIDERING ALL I WILL HAVE INVESTED IS A FEW FREE SEEDS ABOUT 600.00 WORTH OF COW CHICKEN AND HORSE POOP ROUGHLY 300 HOURS OF BACK BREAKING WORK 3 TILLERS A TRACTOR A TURNING PLOW A DISC ONE FRONT END LOADER A DUMP TRUCK(BOUGHT STRICTLY TO HAUL POOP)AND A FEW MONTHS OF SLEEPLESS NIGHTS.. SHOOT FIRE IF I CAN FIND TIME I MAY EVEN TRY A PUMPKIN PLANT ALSO!!!

2/15/2002 8:51:12 AM

canal winchester ohio

Keith, I feel for that your weighoff pays so little, hopefully more of your friends can join in & drive the interest & money up a little. Before you all laugh-off the joke about being in it for the money. ( and before I say this let me state I'm accusing no one of it, just giving you something to ponder)
On a different pumpkin list I belong to there is a subject being bounced around that's reared it's head before. The idea of a single person getting 1 entry & a family having 2 entries. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other, but it does cause a lot of heated diccussion. WHY? Is it because you can't put your fruit on the scales NO , most places are glad to let you weigh a second or mabey a third just to see what it weighs.Is it from lack of respect from your fellow growers NO, because even if it doesn't count everyone knows what you done & always give you the credit due. So why the argument? MONEY. You see if a single man or woman brings a entry she can only do one. Use me as a example- I can bring 1 & tell everyone my wife helped me water & till & she enters 1, although most know I did the work. Now there are execptions to the rule & the wife DOES do a great deal, but not always.
Now if the single man would go to the Ohio Valley weigh-off win first there & first in the GPC he would pocket $3500. Now if I had a great year & used my wife entry also & took 1st & 2nd at the Ohio Valley & GPC I would pocket $5300. If this wasn't the reason for all the arguments why does the word "double dipping" always pop up.
Now don't get me wrong we are all basically good people, but "money" does seem to cause a lot of problems in our sport.
Please give me your opinions on this, but don't let it turn nasty....Thank you........Paul

2/15/2002 12:28:29 PM

South Hill, Virginia

Paul,

You are starting to sound like John McCain;)

2/15/2002 1:07:05 PM

Pulaski Tn [email protected]

paul, the way i see it.. if you grow 2 biguns you get the money. i've fished in bass tournaments for years (the only thing im connected with where the weight is what counts other than pumpkins)and there if you have the most weight and the biggest fish you get both monies.. pretty simple i would hate to know i had a 1000 pounder and a 999 also and some one with a 654 came in and takes second.. just dont seem right.. course thats my opinion.. keith

2/15/2002 1:07:30 PM

Grants Pass, Oregon

I'm in this to meet all you great people. I would love to grow a giant just to prove I can do it. But it is sad that money is always an issue in any sport. I wish everyone of us a great growing season this year. May we all reach the 1000 pound mark....Carrie

2/15/2002 1:09:45 PM

Western Pa.

Paul,

I took 2 pumpkins to Ohio last year,and one was my wife's, but it wasn't for the money. My wife spends a lot of time working in the patch,watering, feeding and weeding, and I was just tickled pink to have 2 pumpkins that were each close to 200# over my personal best. There is no cash prize to the second entry in one family, I just barely made the payoff point for my 673#, and received (and expected) no money for the second pumpkin.There COULD be cheating if a grower distributes heavy pumpkins to all his uncles,brothers,and friends.A lot of this hobby is based on trust,maybe too much! Reminds me of a local family(who happen to own a greenhouse and business) who entered the local fair, and also entered their 2 yr.old diapered kid in the junior division. Even though he was just learning to walk, he "earned" ribbons and $65 in cash! What kind of message does this send? I love growing giant pumpkins so much, that I WISH I could make a living out of it, but it ain't gonna happen. The payoff to me is the reflections in other's faces! I think we should all write a letter to wherever blkcloud takes his pumpkin and tell them to get with the program and buy a scale(and cough up a little prize money, too!)

kilr

2/15/2002 1:57:54 PM

South Hill, Virginia

It must be a Southern thing kilr. I checked with just about every local fair in Virginia and the majority of them that had a heaviest/biggest pumpkin competition did not weigh them. I'm not sure how they judge them (insert joke about Southerners here).

The prize money was always less than $10 too. While I'm talking about it, the most money you can win in the state is $300 at the Virginia State Fair (which does weigh the entries). I'll probably spend more than that on my patch before I even put a seed in the ground. Believe me, no one down here is in it for the money.

2/15/2002 2:18:12 PM

canal winchester ohio

Hey all, I'm just trying to state that this whole thing confuses me. Until I got this computer ( 1 year ago) I didn't know anything about squash-vs-pumpkins, the grid system or any of that. For the last 30 years I went to a weighoff to see the largest squash or pumpkin ( it's all the same at our show).
Then when I logged on the grid system confused me & when I hear "sponsers" won't pay the big bucks for a squash weighoff & pumpkins that should be squash & visa versa, I just set back & read ( never adding imput because I was "new")
What I'm getting at is from the outside looking in it "appears" a lot of our problems are driven by money.
And just for the record if I ever have a world record specimen I'm taking it to my local show ( non-GPC) & passing up the big bucks. I was always raised to be true to your roots..........Paul

2/15/2002 3:12:30 PM

western Kentucky

i grew a 100 pound pumpkin... entered it in my fair.. along with a "pretty pumpkin".. i won first place for both but.. i think i got $1.50 for the biggest and $1.00 for the pretty one.... lol it is kinda sad huh?... it alomst bought my miracle grow for one week

Justin

2/15/2002 4:05:51 PM

Choctaw, OK

i grew a 762 in 2000. that year one grower came to the weighoff with a 826 and 784 and took 1st and 2nd place, i was then pushed to third....of course i was not too happy as it seemed all my efforts were deafted a bit since a grower had two pumpkins bigger than my one.....for all i am concerned, i try to get as big of pumpkin as i can and the money is like a bonus reward for your efforts, and then just trying to get a bigger fruit than the other growers around my area, really that is what it should be all about.....more or less bragging rights....but for some, that is not what it is about, it is almost a business for some...

2/15/2002 4:34:33 PM

Indiana

Well, from my perspective, it is very difficult to keep my mouth shut on this. My father works just as hard as I do to grow my giants. We both put in on average 20 or more hours a week. This past season, we had 14 plants. He worked along side methe whole time. He worked just as hard as I did, and he grew a 476 lb pumpkin. We did not even attempt to take his pumpkin because we knew that it was going to be a waste of time. Now to my next point. We ended up with 5 harvestable fruit on 14 plants due to a hail storm. Only having 5 pumpkins to cover costs, I really didnt make any money. That meant that all the time and effort that my father put in was for nothing. It really irritates me that he did all of that work, and I cant pay him back. At least he would have had piece of mind from whatever the prize was, were it 50 or 100, or whatever. So, what is to be done? Is it more wrong for someone to say that they grow a pumpkin when they don't and take prize money away from the person in the next place. Or is it more wrong for an individual to not be allowed to get any prize for their accomplishements because they live with someone at the same address? The soution in my mind is that the person that claims a fruit that didnt grow it for the money will have to live with their decision. But that still doesnt solve any problems really, so this is one of those issues that will never be solved.
Tom Beachy

2/15/2002 7:24:59 PM

Deer Park WA

Gadberry's Two Cents, I have a teeny tiny littly residential lot, and would be lucky to grow one over 1000 pounds and thats with the whole fam damly helping! I have to compete with some of the best growers in the world here who have lots of land, and family. Several of these folks make a lot of money off their pumpkins. That is fine there is a huge commercial market. The problem as I see it is that a few "Pumpkin Masters" could easily sew up all the site prize money, and accolades, thereby discouraging growers like myself from driving across the State and weighing a 600-800 pounder and not even getting on the chart!

2/15/2002 11:03:49 PM

Pulaski Tn [email protected]

fam damly???? is that kinda like yam dankee???

2/16/2002 10:17:44 AM

Long Island,New York

Don't worry about defending yourself paul....you will soon learn that even a lighthearted fun attempt at discussing squash or poking fun at squash (I interpret"real men don't grow squash" as a fun jab...and always welcome)will bring an attack from some pumpkin growers. Unfortunately it appears to be the same growers again and again that turn fun threads into attacks and change the flow of the topic. For those of you out there that are guilty of this, and you know who you are, try to let us have some fun too.....Glenn

2/16/2002 1:07:10 PM

Deer Park WA

blkclod, you crack me up, it's more like a beer induced form of dyslexia. I probably deserve that after poking fun at "Ya alls branchless family tree". I really don't care about prize money I spend way more in fertilizer and supplies than I will ever win. Just like to see something like these beauties grow! Best of luck blkcloud.
Gerry Gadberry............

2/17/2002 1:39:10 PM

Greencastle, PA

You might be a redneck if you've been married 3 times and still have the same inlaws.
Tom

2/17/2002 9:55:45 PM

Utah

Paul
unforuntatly
i misread your post
please accept my humblest Apology !!!!!
!!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!! !!!!

gordon

2/18/2002 4:05:46 PM

Utah

FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN
who's leading the FUN in the squmkpin are pumpkin attacK ?
attack away until they attack back... then call foul !
we were just having fun.

go get em glenn! !!!!
to me your just a pumpkin grower is squash clothing -
what ever rings your chime?
but hey i still think your funny and enjoy your posts !

Sorry i just wear my emotions out in the open for all to see. and have a solid option on the subject. at least i'm
honest to myself.

gordon

2/18/2002 4:15:18 PM

porterville, calif.

I really enjoy everone who has mention what they think here. But i think most important thing to remmember is just go out and have fun doing this and let the results of their gardening wheather it be a big Pumpkin or squash or whatever. Just have fun at it. Thats what I do.. Greg

2/18/2002 4:50:36 PM

canal winchester ohio

Gordon, alls well.....no worrys Hoss....Paul

2/18/2002 4:59:45 PM

Deer Park WA

Let's put it all in perspective.... We are Vegitable growers....
Folks stop by my patch, and go "Oh My" it's so big and scary!!! Who gives a crap, in the grand scheme of things what we do is a trivial past tyme......... I believe that squash/Pumpkins deserve the same ammount of respect, what did Joel Holland say when he took the 92 world record? "It is the largest fruit or vegitable ever to exist on the face of the planet........." Sometimes we just gotta unite.

2/19/2002 12:44:58 AM