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I have always been taught when a fruit or veg. gets pollinated that the results from the polination will not show up until the seeds are grown the next year. Then the results will show up in the fruit or veg.
This is what I beleave in. Bu it seems alot of people dont see it that way. They beleave the pollination results has a far greater effect on the fruit the same year pollinated.
The peope on this list, including me need to know which one is right. Every grower needs to know.
Please help us !! Before I lose my (WHAT)

1/17/2002 5:31:38 PM

No Place Special

thanks Guy, thought I was the only one who wasn't getting this! Sounds like there must be a difference between each kind of fruit or vegetable. I always assumed the same would apply for all??????? Will we ever know for sure?
Mike

1/17/2002 5:39:50 PM

Down Stream

Mike. It sounds that way that is for shore. But It looks like there would be only one rule. Mabee not.. We need to find out more. I will go to the net later to try and research this matter.
Steve.

1/17/2002 6:05:39 PM

Utah

FOR PUMPKINS- the pollinator characterists show up
the next year when the seed is planted.
(but complete pollination is required for normal growth-
that is- incomplete pollination will cause abnormal - odd shaped growth and give a smaller pumpkin)

FOR EVERYTHING ELSE-
honestly I don't know.... but since i only grow pumpkins
it doesn't bother me.

1/17/2002 6:54:27 PM

Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

If the seeds are part of what you eat it can be effected by the pollination. Hot Peppers or Corn as an example. That is why you dont plant sweet corn varieties next to each other or the results from cross pollination can be dissapointing. For instance field corn is a dent corn "hard" when dry. Sweet corn has different properties and shrivels up. If you plant your sweet corn next to a farmers field and they both pollinate at the same time period. You get bad tasting sweet corn. Confused yet..... Shannon
Shannon
Shannon

1/18/2002 12:15:08 AM

Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

woops got carried away with my name there....must have been from bad sweet corn..

1/18/2002 12:23:08 AM

Deer Park, WI

I will attempt to put an end to this- so listen up! First I will qualify myself by saying that I have a B.S. in biotechnolgy with a plant emphasis. Now im not tyring to toot the horn, just letting you know im not making uneducated guesses. with that said, each genus of plants have different pollination results. All FRUIT within the Cucurbita genus (punkins, squash, cukes, etc) ARE NOT GENETICALLY influenced by the pollination. RE-READ g1t's post above. He is right on. Incomplete pollination can lead to mishapen fruit and poor seed development, but has no effect on color or growth potential. If you have any more questions, please email me.

1/18/2002 8:48:24 AM

Long Island,New York

You mean PHYSICALLY, not GENETICly.... right Joe?
How about...."the outward appearance of a pumpkin or squash that has been properly pollinated is not influenced by specific pollinators traits"

1/18/2002 4:35:40 PM

Deer Park, WI

Sorry if there is a little confusion there...i do mean GENETICALLY, but perhaps in a slightly differenent context. What i am saying is that the pollen does not influence the GENES of the GROWING fruit, only the seeds inside the fruit. Glenn your statement clears it up fine.

1/19/2002 6:49:01 PM

Down Stream

OK guys I guess we have spent enough time on this subject for now. Thanks for your imput.

1/20/2002 7:11:54 PM

No Place Special

hey guy, they sound very convincing that no effect is seen untill the following year. Even though we don't completely understand it, I guess the answer is all we need to know. Thanks everyone for your input!
Mike

1/20/2002 8:45:44 PM

Deer Park WA

Ok I disagree with the momma does it all theory, and I have a rebuttal for the BS'ers out there. If the male has no influences can you please explain the difference between the Emmons 01 1262= (F) 940 Mombert x (M) 801.5 Stelts compared to say the Mombert 01 860= (F)940 Mombert x bobier 723? Other than the obvious 402# weight difference. I doubt one of these growers has deeper secrets, or techniques than the other. I am also certian both growers patches are pristen, and that they cater to the plants every need. I have numerous other paralells to draw from. My point is this. If the soil, weather, fertilizer, water, etc. plays such a huge role, why would'nt the lowly pollen donator have a role to play in the DEVELOPEMENT of the fruit?

1/21/2002 2:17:17 AM

Indiana

Gads,
The 940 Mombert produced seeds. Lets say 400 for the sake of argument. Everyone of those seeds was pollinated by a different grain of pollen, just like in human production. Those different seeds would be considered brothers and sisters. Now barring identical twins they are not exactly alike. Some brothers and sisters are taller than the others, some are more intelligent, some are BIGGER, some are unfortunately deformed, and so on. I hope this answers your question.
Tom Beachy

1/21/2002 11:40:48 AM