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Roanoke Il

Randy what is the cross of your seed?

1/3/2002 7:52:40 PM

Ken D.

Connecticut, USA

BigWheels, don't forget the 845 Nesbitt 2001 is the same cross as the 707 Toftness (846 Calai 1999 x 723 Bobier 1999).

1/3/2002 8:15:26 PM

canal winchester ohio

Another with same cross 846 x 723
Kuhn 855 01.......Paul

1/3/2002 8:20:29 PM

randy(2)

walton n.y.

mark the cross on my 652 sundstrom 01 is from the 625 kennedy 98(f) and the 663 kennedy 00 ,wayne kennedy is the man that started me in growing ags a great guy that has given me advice as well as seeds i still have a few seeds left if anyone wants them randy

1/4/2002 8:17:37 AM

Joze (Joe Ailts)

Deer Park, WI

I have a feeling that the selfed 723's and selfed 712's will do good. I'm going to make sure my 798 Ailts does well in my patch.

1/4/2002 11:50:38 AM

Roanoke Il

Joe I know that you beleive with other growers that self crossed pumpkins are the way to go but I can't find any self crossed pumpkins which have grown really big ones. I think one has to look for sib and closely related crosses which have been cross back into it's self no more than 3 generations back. I know there are a few self crosses which have produced 800-900 lb offspring. but all of the really big hitters are not self crossed. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Mark

1/4/2002 1:51:31 PM

Think Big

Commack, NY

hey Rock, I think this is where you're supposed to chime in....

1/4/2002 2:02:26 PM

aggrower

900+ fruit grown from self crossed pumpkins

1090 Wier ...off the 490 Donkers (a selfed 990 Bax)
1036.5 Kline ... off the 968 Sproule (a selfed 690 Sproule)
978.5 Lloyd ... off the 650 Lloyd 96 (a selfed 752 Craven)
975.6 Gervais ... off the 1092 Burke (a selfed 935 Lloyd)
975 Zehr ... off the 914 Wier (a selfed 792 Holland)
962 Willemse ... result of 5 generations of selfing
945.5 DeJong ... off the 836 Craven (a selfed 827 Holland)
935 Lloyd ... off the 875 Lloyd (a selfed 687 Lloyd)
900.5 Lyons* ... off the 724 Willemse ( a selfed 573 McCahill...which was the result of 3 gens of selfing)

Does selfing work? I think the numbers speak for themselves. Is selfing the best option? Maybe it is maybe it isn't, but a darn good alternative to blind crossing for sure.

When looking at selfed fruit one must not only look at the generation it was selfed, but look back a few generations to see what was brought into the gene pool before the selfing was done. ie...935 Lloyd, 900.5 Lyons*, 724 Willemse, etc....all proven producers.

We shall see what the selfed fruit from 2001 produce....once again time will tell the tale.

PS....

xxxx Rivard ... off the 1062 Rivard (a selfed 914 Wentzell) .. hey ya never know!

:)
Rock

1/4/2002 3:16:00 PM

Desnowskeer

Upon further investigation my preseason vote for best new seed is 865.5 Nesbit 705X723 has a lot of 1000lbrs from each side of the cross.
Wish I had ordered some. darn it

1/4/2002 3:16:47 PM

canal winchester ohio

Here are my pumpkin picks for the new "hot" ones
Vanlderstein- 945
Toftness-707
Rose-960
Ciliberto-923
As far as "hot" squash picks , I think there is one that stands out. The only problem is it throws both orange & green. But so does the Lyons 900 & we all seek that one too.
The Andrews 455...........Paul

1/4/2002 3:28:32 PM

Case

Choctaw, OK

to me, the 2001 seeds do not look as good (in potential) as the potential of the 2000 seed. THat is just my opinion of course. If you crossed two seeds that have thrown many 1000 lbers, does it mean it will throw a 1000 lber?? no. Kind of like people expecting a big one from the 1000 lb seed they planted and not the 300 lb seed they planted.....who knows, the 2001 seed probably will turn out to be really good and then i will have to eat my words.

of the 2001 seeds, the ones i like are

980 Kuhn
821 Hester (616 corkum x 900.5 lyons)-both parents exhibit great plant characteristics

Case

1/4/2002 5:15:43 PM

Desnowskeer

Does 1000 lbers on each side mean it will throw one? I agree Of course not it is all a bet, but thats where my money (patch)is.

Good luck to everyone this season.

1/4/2002 5:38:02 PM

gordon

Utah

I can't believe you guys are all over looking
the 365 Tanner and the 520 Tanner....
those are my picks...
LOL!

1/4/2002 6:25:12 PM

Roanoke Il

Rock I stand corrected there are a couple self crossed which have grown 2 1000 lbers. The point I was making is that it seem you need to add some new genes in to the mix. The really big producers have crossed back into there original genes,at least once. If one wants to retain certain true genetic traits self pollination is the way to go. But correct me if I'm wrong. mark
P.S. I'm hopping the self pollination theory is right and i'm going to do my best to prove you right. best of luck

1/4/2002 8:39:35 PM

Roanoke Il

Rock we all know that you will grow the 1062 this year but what other self pollinated seeds are you going to grow? :}

1/4/2002 8:44:30 PM

aggrower

It's true that the good producers like the 935 and 900.5* did have a new "genetics" introduced from the pollinators .... the genes were isolated and the intro of the new genes created a kind of hybrid vigor that the offspring of this first generation benefit from. Well that's the rough lines of a theory that is starting to gain in popularity I think.

This is not much different than what many good producers known today benefitted from (strongly inbreed lines like the Lloyd's, Holland's, etc), just a different way of obtaining it...and possibly a faster way too.

That is what I am aiming for when I do a selfing. I do hope the first generation (off the 1062) will produce well, but its the offspring that might be more interesting producers.

As far as other selfed seeds, not this year. My main patch (home) has room for three plants, I am (probably)planting the 914 again and the 875 Dill (aother 914 offspring) along with my 1062. :))

1/4/2002 10:00:52 PM

kilrpumpkins

Western Pa.

Jim Gatewood's 743#(mentioned above) was grown on the Calai 846 and pollinated by the Mombert 940(2000). My 673# was a result of the same cross and seeds were available at this site. Geez, I hope someone gives MY seeds a try!

kilr

1/5/2002 7:24:28 AM

Think Big

Commack, NY

hey Rock, i knew you wouldnt dissappoint me! :)

1/5/2002 12:57:27 PM

creek boy

Down Stream

The Seeds Mr Kilbert donated to the seed page have just as good of a chance for a record pumpkin as any out there. Check out the crosses he made. I have several of them. Going by the parents of his seeds how can you go wrong.
Thanks to him and others for their donations.

1/5/2002 1:27:03 PM

Bantam

Tipp City, Ohio

Kilr,
Thanks for donating your seeds to this site. Your 673# was one of my first picks to try for 2002. I also have the 634.5# and plan to plant those also. I hope to have half as much luck that you had this year....Tom

1/5/2002 8:07:15 PM

No Place Special

My observation of these posts shows many seeds that are somehow related to the 846 Calai 99. Was this the "Hot Seed" last year? Must feel great Kilr to have your seed mentioned more than once on this prestigious list. Congrats!

Mike

1/7/2002 4:56:08 PM

steelydave

Webster, NY

I might be wrong, but I think Peter Carters 995 01 might be pretty good. The cross was also the 846 Calai with the 859 Mombert. Now if only I can do it justice and grow it well.

1/7/2002 9:39:19 PM

No Place Special

Does anybody know what the parents of the 846 Calai were?

Mike

1/7/2002 10:05:12 PM

creek boy

Down Stream

Parents are--Mother 801.5 STTELTS X 876.5 Lloyd

1/7/2002 10:21:17 PM

No Place Special

Thanks!

1/8/2002 4:38:27 PM

Gads

Deer Park WA

BigWheels, I believe the best seeds to grow in 2002 are the ones not to closely related. I have seeds from many of the pumpkins grown over 1000# in 2001. I have been researching their parentage, and I must say that a disturbing number have been crossed with the same "fab five" for the past couple of years. It is my belief that as pumpkins become more, and more, "inbred" (no offence to my fellow southern growers)that they become increasingly suceptable to mutation and other ill side effects.

1/8/2002 8:56:00 PM

svrichb

South Hill, Virginia

Why would reference to the inbreeding of pumpkins offend someone from the South?

1/9/2002 10:10:12 AM

canal winchester ohio

lol

1/9/2002 11:02:54 AM

hey you

Greencastle, PA

My top three picks are:
1058 Papez
945 VanIderstine
and 707 Toftness.
Tom

1/9/2002 11:52:44 AM

Gads

Deer Park WA

svrichb, Guess I have seen "Deliverance" to many times.
I've never been south of the Mason Dixon line. As I said, No Offence.

1/9/2002 9:55:27 PM

raggu

new middletown ohio

Iowa: 846# isn't the magic seed, the 801 it's parent is. alot of big came from it

1/9/2002 11:21:10 PM

jeff517

Ga.

Gads,,just as many inbred up north as there is down south!!

1/10/2002 6:18:22 AM

No Place Special

So the 801.5 Stelts is the magic seed, its mother. So would crossing back with another seed related to the 801 be a good idea?
Mike

1/10/2002 4:16:31 PM

svrichb

South Hill, Virginia

Once a seed becomes "hot" it is very hard for the common grower to obtain. You may want to check the genetics of the hot seeds then look for similar crosses done more recently which may produce the next hot seed. You'll have a better chance of getting one before they're hot.

A good example is the 723 Bobier 1999. Everyone knows that is one of the hottest seeds around right now so it's hard to come by. In the 2001 season the 845 Bobier 2000 produced the 1260 Weir. Turns out its the same cross as the 723 just done a year later. It pays to do your homework.

1/10/2002 6:48:05 PM

No Place Special

I love this, learn something new everyday! So, what is this magical cross that made the 723 and the 845 Bobier?
Mike

1/10/2002 7:15:51 PM

jeff517

Ga.

723=935.0 Lloyd 1997 X 865.0 Mettler 1998

845=same

1/10/2002 7:25:27 PM