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Andy H

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

I have no doubt that his pillows and sheets are very comfortable. Now Mike Lindell says he has a cure for Covid 19, a drug derived from the oleander plant which is very toxic to humans. This new drug, oleandrin” has not been approved by the FDA and there is no scientific evidence that is does anything. President Trump says that they are looking at it strongly, his words. Lindell was appointed to be a board member 2 weeks ago to the company that is making this “cure”.

Am I wrong to be skeptical?

8/18/2020 10:02:22 PM

North Shore Boyz

Mill Bay, British Columbia

Andy, I know you are freshly retired and I’d like to suggest that you take u golf. That being said, I’ll say no thanks to Oleandrin.

https://theconversation.com/oleandrin-is-a-deadly-plant-poison-not-a-covid-19-cure-144658

8/18/2020 11:37:27 PM

Porkchop(team sLamMer)

Central NY

The pillow guy?.... that guys got a backbone like a ramrod.

8/18/2020 11:38:43 PM

Andy H

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

I’ll put golf on the back burner but point taken. My new full time job is renovations on the new place so after a long day, baseball games, keeping the kids busy and off XBox, I find myself posting here. I have a close friend who is a HUGE Trump fan which spills over to this board.

8/19/2020 7:27:11 AM

Frank and Tina

South East

Lindel invests in the company that makes it. Other people that tout it either have a relation with the company or Lindel, or Trump or both.
Proper testing has not been done.
And of course Lindel who has been brown nosing Trump used his relationship with the prez to get the company that makes it in an oval office meeting. For FDA approval of course. Their's dollars to be made. And Trump will latch onto anything that help covid disappear out his re-election year.

Yes Andy, I would be very skeptical. On the verge of dismissive. Looks like a potential pocket filler for most of the people involved and a potential political boost for the President.

Until its been tested and reviewed by people not involved in its manufacturing and who have no stake it, either financially or politically I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.

8/19/2020 7:49:18 AM

LJ

South Dakota

Just curious as to what education level all you "politically active" people have? Most of the political comments wreak of uneducated opinions that are picked off the internet, which we all know has to be true. LMFAO I guess somebody has to make this shit up. It would be much better on their own stress level, and certainly a lot less stress for any open minded readers, if they would just get a job, hobby, or life and worry about themselves instead of shit they have no control over. When are you all going to run for office, you obviously have a great solution to all the issues of today.

8/19/2020 8:24:43 AM

Andy H

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

I don’t know who you are directing this at so I’ll refrain from any come backs. As for this particular topic, I stumbled upon it while watching a few different news channels, not made up.

8/19/2020 8:31:35 AM

Frank and Tina

South East

lol, the guy who makes pillows diving into the pharmaceutical business abusing his relation ship with the president to make some quick money is all ok.

The people on this board are the problem. LOL

8/19/2020 8:40:29 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

What is wrong with taking new drugs to the FDA for testing and approval? It happens every day. So a drug company found a wealthy investor. Happens every day, too. Sounds like Mike Lindell is taking a big risk. Stands to lose a bunch of cash. Or he could make a bunch, too. Taking the risk is his right. Taking risks is the basis of capitalism. When you examine the facts, that is about all you can determine. But some people can only see politics. Is the hatred that strong that we have to attack an entreprenuer for doing what entreprenuers do?

8/19/2020 10:53:56 AM

roger80

Susquehanna Pa

What’s really sad is Lindel was wearing a gold necklace with a cross on it while saying oleandrin is an amazing cure. It’s a miracle of all time and he heard the news from a friend on Easter Sunday and brought It to Carson and Trump who declared it to be the “real deal”. In reality it is deceptive marketing dating back to the 18th century (snake oil) You got to laugh about it but it’s really not funny it’s sickening.

8/19/2020 11:03:29 AM

Porkchop(team sLamMer)

Central NY

Dallas buyers club

8/19/2020 11:26:58 AM

Andy H

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

I have no issue with anyone trying to make a buck. The issue as I see it is a friend of the president and Ben Carson get a meeting with the president including the president of the company making the drug. If Trump chooses, he can pressure the FDA to look into the validity of the drug’s efficacy in treating Covid 19, no problem. To be touted as a cure, the process is lengthy including a peer review. Or....the drug can be labeled as a dietary supplement and they could not label it as a cure. If this unproven drug found itself on the market tomorrow, I think it would fly off the shelves and Mr Lindell would make a lot of money.

8/19/2020 12:53:10 PM

Marv!

Trump University

Some people say Trump tells lies and that you can tell he is lying because his mouth is moving. I find this hard to believe since your mouth would also be moving if you were eating. Can he talk and eat at the same time? That is the only real question here.

8/19/2020 12:55:11 PM

G. Kins

Catinatree, WA

Cmon... dont be idiots.

8/19/2020 1:11:22 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Right away this thread assumed that the drug in question is a fake. Andy, do you know something everyone else does not know? Did you have it tested already? Or is this just typical anti Trump propaganda? 20 years ago if someone told you that botulism toxin would be a cure for migraines and a host of other conditions, would you have called it snake oil? Probably not because the President wasn't involved.

And the process is sickening, roger89? I thought it was supposed to be the opposite, curing sickness.

Or is it because Mike Lindell is a Christian and wore a gold cross? Has Christianity now become the boogeyman? Trump is being attacked for claiming to be Christian. Maybe he wasn't the best Christian in past. Maybe he has reformed. I saw part of the so-called interview that Anderson Cooper did on CNN. He wouldn't let Lindell get a word in. Shouted him down calling him snake oil salesman and liar.

If someone wants to get fair treatment in the press, what do you have to do? Claim to be atheist and hate Trump? It is starting to look like that from my position.

8/19/2020 1:43:21 PM

G. Kins

Catinatree, WA

I think Trump trolls you guys all day long. Watch professional poker. He might be trolling us on the right, too... but he is way better than Bush. The fact that the left hates him... means he is doing something right. There is no utopia folks... just hard work and suffering. The communists try to sell you on the idea of utopia and it's a lie. It's all lies, lies, lies! The real question is why do you believe it.

8/19/2020 1:59:47 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Lindell had nothing to back up his claim. That's why Anderson Cooper keep asking him show me the proof, he had none! When Lindell kept spouting his nonsense Cooper had every right to call him on it. Lindell was using the same tactic Trump, Kelly Ann Conway, Mike Pence use. Be the loudest voice in the room ignore the question change the subject blame Obama. Trump loves to cut reporters off when he doesn't like the question by saying Excuse me. Then he'll go on and on about nothing related. If you're gonna go on National TV and show your ass well then you deserve a good spanking.

8/19/2020 2:48:01 PM

LJ

South Dakota

Do you think it has anything to do with an ex VP's son getting a sweetheart deal because his dad pushed buttons for personal gain? I guess I'm lost, I need to get a TV.

8/19/2020 3:33:45 PM

Suburban Gardener

Western Washington

This thread is confusingly going all over the place, LJ.

No need to get a TV, not much worth watching these days IMHO, lol!

8/19/2020 3:57:00 PM

roger80

Susquehanna Pa

You can’t be a Christian and a con artist at the same time can you? Advertising a unproven drug as a miracle cure is just plain wrong. In my mind Lindel is a hypocrite using religion as a cover for a con artist.

8/19/2020 4:37:09 PM

Andy H

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Iowegian why do you talk like that trying to put words in people’s mouths. I’m skeptical for sure. Seems premature to be calling it a cure when it hasn’t been thoroughly tested. If anything it’s anti Lindell not Trump. Spin it what ever way you want, all I’m saying is do the proper testing before calling it a miracle cure.

8/19/2020 6:15:40 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

I wrote the truth: the subject line called Lindell's drug a fake. No words in anyone's mouth. I questioned whether or not religion played a part. Words out of my mouth, no one else.

Do the testing before calling it a fake. Is this the America where you are innocent until proven guilty? Or do you have to pass scientific tests, get permission from the politicians and buy off the media? Where did that come from?

Spudley said Lindell has nothing to back up his claims. Those are Spudley's own words. Does Spudley know more that the rest of us? Could it be that trade secrets are being protected?

If you think you have made a discovery that could save millions of lives, what is wrong with pushing for quick testing? Is it possible that Lindell is such a political threat that he is not allowed speak in public? What is wrong with the President listening to a friend? All presidents listen to advice. Are you sure you aren't blowing this out of proportion?

Could it be that I am biased? Is Mike Lindell a distant relative of mine? All sorts of possibilities. But he's now hated because he favors Trump. What has our nation becoming?

8/19/2020 7:24:31 PM

Frank and Tina

South East

Cant believe we are really talking about this.

Lindell is a pillow sales men. Not a medical expert.

Lindell also holds a financial stake with Phoenix Biotechnology, and would receive a profit from Oleandrin.

Are we suprised that Lindell feels its the cure?

Are we surprised he used his ties to Trump to try and force the FDA to approve it as an IND (Investigational New Drug Application)?

"You can't get it once you take it. It's just an oil you put it under your tongue. It's an extract," Lindell said.

Lindell said more than a hundred people have tested it out in unpublished studies

But Mike has a history of exaggerating:

In 2016, Lindell's My Pillow company was sued in Alameda County Superior Court in Oakland, California for running ads with false claims of the pillow helping with snoring, fibromyalgia, migraines and other medical conditions. Prosecutors in nine California counties brought the charges against the misleading infomercials. He settled.

The only study public on oleandrin is this in vitro study from a Texas lab:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.15.203489v1.full.pdf

So I guess for the time being we are just gonna have take the my pillow guy's world for it. But with all the free exposure and Trump's help with the FDA my guess is Mike will have a new cash cow soon.

Ignorance and gullibility are at an all time high in the US. Perfect time to start selling Oleandrin.



8/19/2020 9:35:42 PM

Andy H

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

That last post of yours speaks volumes. Second paragraph, wow! Comparing innocent before being proven guilty for a drug that is so far untested, bravo, you are nothing but consistent. What person in their right mind would take a drug on the word of a salesman/ investor before it was proven to be effective. I’ll concede that this drug may prove worthy of merit so why won’t you at least recognize that more testing is necessary before claiming it to be a miracle cure. I’m guessing your ego won’t let you.

8/19/2020 10:13:44 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

"so why won’t you at least recognize that more testing is necessary"

"Do the testing before calling it a fake"

Tried to catch me on something and missed by a mile. I said test it. Who is putting words in someone else's mouth now, Andy?

I never claimed it was a miracle cure or any kind of cure at all. I did have questions about why it was immediately called fake. Was it because he is a friend of Trump? Was it because he is a Christian? roger80 claims he is a con man and not a Christian: where is the proof?

Is it possible to be a Christian and make a mistake? Of course it is. Lindell comes across on TV as a passionate, excitable person. I think we all know someone like that.

I know absolutely nothing about the drug. Maybe it is a cure, maybe it is worthless or even harmful. I sure would not take it without having it tested, What I care about is seeing someone attacked by a media that would rather manufacture the news than report it, Lindell has been an outspoken republican supporter. Can you blame him after seeing what happened to his state? Is that why CNN unleashed the attack dogs on him?

8/20/2020 8:47:06 AM

Marv!

Trump University

So besides putting politics into all of this crap we are now introducing religion?

8/20/2020 10:18:19 AM

Frank and Tina

South East

Where is the proof he's christian Iowegian? Is it his golden cross. His prolific use of word "god" and "jezus" maybe?

News flash: Christianity sells. Just like any "good" conservative politician has to invoke god and go to church and take the familiar political stance on abortion, gay marriage and other Christian pet peeves so also is it helpful to sales men.

Especially on a national platform. You want all off those church going conservatives to buy your product? You want all those evangelicals and good Christians to come a board? Nothing like a good come back story!! An ex-addict who hit rock bottom making it big time!!! Just flaunt your faith like a neon sign, make sure to use words like "God", and "Jesus" many times and call for the nation to "stop turning its back on God" and instantly your sales go up 50%
Its same warm embrace that Donald Trump got from this very audience.

After all, words speak louder then actions in the US of 2020.

And guess what? Lindell and Trump are friends! What are the odds? Birds of a feather flock together.

8/20/2020 10:29:03 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Yes, Marv! CNN went there the way Anderson Cooper tried to shout down Lindell and call him a liar (without proof) during the so-called interview while Lindell was trying to explain his Christain faith. Frank just reinforced it by asking for proof.

It looks like I was right. Being a Christian has become the boogeyman. Do Christians now have to prove their faith according to standards set by non Christians? If you are a friend of the President, at least.

If anyone on this board announced that they were Muslim, Jew, atheist, Hindu, or any other religion, most of us would say OK, and continue on. But if someone here were to announce that they are Christian, it looks like at least 1 person here would demand proof and then question your motives.

As far as "Just flaunt your faith like a neon sign" goes, it reminds me of a Sunday School song that I learned over 60 years ago; "This Little Light of Mine". We learned to let the world know about our faith. Hide it under a bushel, NO. I'm going to let it shine. If neon signs were in major use when the song was written, they just might have made it into the song. Being Christian is not something to be ashamed of. Jesus taught that if we are ashamed of him in public, he will be ashamed of us at the final judgment. So, If someone professes to be Christian, then that is all the proof I need.

8/20/2020 12:44:15 PM

Frank and Tina

South East

Its sad you cant spot hypocrisy anymore, you cant spot the manipulation anymore, you just cant see it.

Nothing wrong with being religious, whether jew, muslim or christian.

Being a fake and using it for your own profit.
That's the problem.

Show me Lindell high on coke in a roach infested apartment praising the lord and mean it. And he'l come across sincere.

Show em at the White House or on tv singing praise to one of his own products and use Christianity as a character witness for himself and his product and you come across fake.

He uses your faith to convince you that him are you and alike and that that's why he can be trusted and you should buy his products.

8/20/2020 1:43:20 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Nobody gives a shit about pillow boy's faith. We do care about anyone making crazy ass false claims that aren't rooted in science. So quit trying to change the subject.

8/20/2020 2:05:11 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Mark have you ever watched a Kelly Ann Conway interview. She is loud obnoxious constantly changes the subject never answers a direct question and always manages to blame whatever the subject matter is on Obama. So drop the faux outrage. Anderson Cooper was just doing his job.

8/20/2020 2:50:12 PM

Frank and Tina

South East

hear hear!

8/20/2020 3:07:46 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Have you ever heard the saying he's the Devil but he's our Devil. That's what's going on here. Trump supporters know who he is but they don't care. Says way more about their views and values than his.

8/20/2020 3:19:01 PM

Jimbo01

Mid Michigan

I recall Obama being called a liar and Trump demanding his birth certificate to prove he was an American. Crazy huh?

8/20/2020 4:29:46 PM

Andy H

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Thanks Marv and Spudley, he pulled out all the plugs and fooled no one. That’s you Iowegian not Lindell, he is a marketing genius.

8/20/2020 9:51:02 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Thank you for proving my point. It seems that if a person has been a Christian all their life, the worst you will be called is gullible or a fool. But if someone hits rock bottom, finds Jesus, and reverses his life, well he is a fake and a con man. No chance to prove yourself, no benefit of the doubt, not a chance that anyone might believe you.

Maybe I should tone down the religious discrimination some. Maybe the reason he seems to be hated so much is Trump?

And did anyone catch the part where I wrote that I know nothing about the drug in question, just test it? I get called a fool for believing Lindell, like you think I believe in the claims about the drug. I believed his claim of being Christian. He may be totally wrong about the drug. Christians make mistake, too.

All I care about is that we are facing a dangerous disease, something I experienced my self. Someone thinks they have a cure and wants the government to check it out. I said test it. That is all. Not trying to fool anyone. If you don't believe Lindell's story about being a Christian, I really don't care. But when I express my beliefs, I am called a fool. I can live with that.

8/21/2020 11:47:39 AM

G. Kins

Catinatree, WA

Being attacked is part of being a Christian sadly. It's not all comfortable but most people doing the attacking haven't read the New Testament. They are not hateful... they are just showing their ignorance. They know not what they do. When it comes to politics & health there are so many lies out there... it's just a solid wall of lies. Doorknobs have rights but intelligent babies in the womb get murdered. Everything is painfully backwards there is no place to be a Christian... other than nailed to a cross.

8/21/2020 1:26:40 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Here we go again changing the subject. Woe is me? Nobody gives a shit!

8/21/2020 1:41:06 PM

Frank and Tina

South East

Christian persecution complex in its full glory on here!

8/21/2020 6:23:04 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

What do you think of this scenario? The whole thing boils down to is politics. A company thinks they might have a cure for covid. They went to a friend of the President in hopes that maybe he could get the testing started. The President's enemies are so intent on beating him that they would sink a potential cure if it means defeat for the President. Mike Lindell's claim that he is just doing what Jesus would do just throws gas on the fire. It set off Anderson Cooper, got him to shout down Lindell (not interview) and call him a liar. Inspired others to call him a con man. Maybe Lindell should just consider Matthew 5:11-12 and lit it go at that.

I just think that we should be investigating all possible cures for covid. Forget the politics. It is better than watching the world descend into another great depression.

8/21/2020 6:32:52 PM

Andy H

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Another good try, changing the narrative, or attempting to for the upteenth time. Who the hell cares if Lindell is Christian, Muslim or jew. Test the crap out of his miracle cure, just don’t claim it to be a cure before it is proven to be a cure! Any one else would be framing this drug as promising or having potential. It isn’t a Trump thing, it’s a Mike Lindell thing.

8/21/2020 10:08:23 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Test the vaccines too. Just don't claim they work until tested. Ge, if you can't claim that it works, why even bother. Face the facts, there are people who would blow off a cure for political gain. Quit claiming such nob;e reasons. It is all politics.

8/21/2020 11:21:39 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Testing anything and everything is a drain on resources and a waste of time. There is a process in place.
In single-blind peer review, the authors do not know who the reviewers are. The reviewers know who the authors are. In double-blind peer review, neither authors nor reviewers know each other's names.

8/22/2020 2:48:52 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

None of the above was done. What you have hear are people who have the President's ear and stand to profit from it. And they will if and only if they can bypass the process. Snake Oil Salesmen. This whole thing wouldn't be such a big deal if it wasn't for a President who lives in a world of fantasy and Fraud!

8/22/2020 2:57:37 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

We are facing what we have been told is the plague of the 21st century. Economies world wide are crashing. But we can't afford to test proposed cures? Really? I say we can't afford not to test them.

Remember, the last world depression resulted in a world war and somewhere near 100 million dead. What would another world war cost? 2 billion dead? Nuclear fallout poisoning the entire planet?

No. Lets limit what we test, especially if it hurts Trump.

8/22/2020 4:02:40 PM

Andy H

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

Geez Iowegian, listen to yourself in your second last post. People are searching for a cure, you can’t claim a cure until you have one. Cripes, it’s ok to be wrong or mistaken. When Trump announced his candidacy I said it would never happen, was I wrong. Changing the narrative only takes away from the original post. Either Lindell is on to something or be isn’t. I personally believe he got the audience he sought on CNN, regardless of the train wreck interview. There are enough people who dislike or distrust CNN who will buy this product whether it works or not.

8/22/2020 10:06:44 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

If Lindell had been a former federal employee, had worked on business for the company with the drug, and then represented them before the government without waiting the specified time (3 or 5 yrs), then he would have been in violation of ethics laws. But Lindell wasn't a federal employee and apparently has a financial stake in the company. There is no law that says he cant talk to the government about the drug. No law limits which government officials he can talk to. No law that says he can't make claims about the drug. It would be totally stupid to present a product to the government without telling them what is supposed to do. Lindell violated no law, committed no ehtics violations. But democrats and the press hate Trump. You don't have to do the Hokey Pokey to know that is what this is all about.

We are in the worst depression since the 1930's. All because of the virus and doing what the "disease experts" told us to do. So far, the most promising treatment is the malaria drug Trump promoted, and that made the democrat politicians lose what was left of their minds. Now someone brings a potential cure to Trump. Total meltdown by CNN.

8/23/2020 12:43:11 PM

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