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G. Kins

Catinthehat, WA

They won't bring up gun rights for the next two months because they know that will get red state voters to turn out st the polls. But as soon as the election is over, they will attack the 2nd amendment under the guise of it having been written by white men. They will call the second amendment a racial injustice... a throwback to slavery and white supremacy. That's their plan.

8/21/2020 6:34:30 PM

Frank and Tina

South East

baloney

8/21/2020 8:11:55 PM

PumpkinBrat

Paradise Mountain, New York

Baloney? I think your sleeping in a very dark room Frank.... They sure the hell will come after peoples guns if they win

8/21/2020 9:59:04 PM

Andy H

Brooklyn Corner, Nova Scotia

I won’t post again on this subject. When was the last time any party came after your guns. Limits, background checks yes, taking your guns would be political suicide, Jesus, it’s like a reality show.

8/21/2020 10:16:09 PM

Frank and Tina

South East

Its something conservative leadership peddles to keep the base energized and angry. Plenty of democrats and liberals who own and shoot guns. Its not just a conservative thing.

To use a Trump term: Democrats coming for the second amendment or your guns is a conservative hoax. its fake news

Critical thinking: Don't believe everything you hear. Even if its seems to fits your ill informed preconceptions

8/21/2020 10:20:31 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Of course we shouldn't believe what all democrat candidates promised during the campaign. They were just lies to fire up the base, right? Or did they really mean it? Should we take a chance?

8/21/2020 11:17:29 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Andy, maybe you haven't kept up on our news lately. Several states have passed "extreme risk" or "red flag" laws in the past 2 years. That allows someone to accuse you of being a threat to your self or others, and a judge can order your guns confiscated in a secret court hearing. No due process, no chance to defend yourself. Clear violation of the 5th amendment. In one eastern state already, police arrived at a house to take guns from an unsuspecting person. He came to the door with a gun and they shot him dead. In Florida, if they take your guns, you have to first sue to prove the accusations wrong,then you have to sue again to get the judge to return your guns, you pay all layer and court costs, and then you have to pay police storage fees. Virginia passed a whole bunch of limits on guns as have several states. California passed new restrictions on ammunition.

I am getting tired of this bald-faced democrat lie. Remember Beto saying "hell yes, we re going to take you guns". Biden saying he was going to take your AR-16, how he just had a 20 ga. and a 12 ga shotgun, then less than 10 seconds later the 12 grew into a 10 ga. Kamala Harris saying she would give Congress a set number of days and then she would take executive action.

Don't say the democrats aren't coming after our guns when it is obvious that they are and have been for years. I am not going to call anyone on here a liar, but the statement that democrats don't want to take our guns is the biggest lie since "read my lips, no new taxes" or "I did not have sex with that woman" or "weapons of mass destruction".

Sorry dems, but that lie has completely destroyed any chance that millions of people will vote for your party.

8/22/2020 9:40:42 AM

Marv!

Trump University

Do you really believe everyone should have an AR15 or an AK47 in their closet? If you do, why do you think so? To hunt deer? Maybe a turkey? I don't really get it. Help me here someone.

8/22/2020 10:05:58 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

I do not think everyone should have an AR 15 or AK 47. But if they want one and are not a criminal or mentally unstable, they should be able to own one.

The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. First it states that a well-regulated (meaning properly equipped to perform the intended function) militia (all the citizens) being necessary for the security of a free state (making certain that the nation remains free from both foreign and domestic threats). Then it states that the right of the people to keep and bear arms (own and carry weapons) shall not be infringed (limited by government).

It does not give us the right to keep and bear arms; that is a God-given right. It is not intended to allow the government to regulate that right, it denies government the ability to restrict that right.

The writers of the Bill of Rights feared that their new government could turn tyrannical. And with current cities letting riots go crazy, emptying jails to make room for those who disobey illegal, unconstitutional covid edicts
it is evident that government is trying to go rogue on us.

The reason to own one of those rifles is to provide yourself with an adequate defense in any situation. After seeing the riots in recent months, it becomes evident that higher ammo capacity is desirable.

I do not own an Ar or AK. I do own a semi auto .22 that has 10 round magazines, a bolt action .22 magnum, a couple muzzle loaders, some shotguns and some handguns. If I were to get a higher powered semi auto rifle, it would be a Ruger PC .40 that would have ammo that could be used in a handgun, adequate capacity magazines, and legal for deer hunting. I believe in having multiple uses.

8/22/2020 11:04:11 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

I know people will complain that we should be limited to the kind of weapons that were available when the 2nd was written, Well, what about the 1st amendment? Should our free speech and press be limited to quill pens, single sheet printing presses, delivery by hose, or just go out and shout in the street? Of course not. Technology changes does not eliminate rights.

Actually, it is American tradition that civilians have small arms equal to or better than the military. In the Revolution and War of 1812, military and civilian small arms were the same. In the Civil War, the military had muzzle loading riles and slow loading Colt revolvers and civilians had Henry repeating rifles and Remington revolvers with quick change cylinders. At the Little Bighorn, Custer's troops and single shots and the natives had Winchester lever actions. In WW 1 General Pershing went to the civilian market to get pump shotguns that were better than bolt action rifles in trench warfare. Before the NFA passed, civilians had BAR and Thompson machine guns. Civilians had the same .45 pistols. In Vietnam, the army replaced their out dated sniper rifles with civilian deer rifles. Even now, the military is re-chambering sniper rifles for the superior Creedmoor ammo, and switching pistols to modular pistols just like civilians.

8/22/2020 11:20:14 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Is that enough help, Marv? I hope it wasn't information overload, but in order to have a good discussion, you need all the facts. Democrats are weak on facts, strong on emotions. No gun rights supporters want to see school shootings, mass murders. But if you look at statistics with an open mind, you see that most happen in gun free zones. When I was growing up, there were no school shootings. During hunting season I bet you could find a couple dozen guns in car trunks in the high school parking lot. Almost every boy carried a pocket knife and there were no stabbings. Society has changed. In the 60's and 70's, abortion was still illegal. Now baby killing is almost glorified. The war met with such protest that we forced to government to end it. Now, nobody protests war and we profit by keeping wars going and selling weapons. War is our biggest budget item. Look at TV, movies, video games. We glorify killing. It is not guns that are the problem. Our society is sick.

So I guess you can call me a pro gun pacifist. And so you don't worry, I quit carrying my pistol when I went on pain medications for cancer. The pistols stay in my dresser drawer, fully loaded. And my 12 ga has 5 buckshot rounds in the magazine, just one pump to go to action, and 5 spare slug rounds on the stock shell holder. The single shot 20 ga my wife uses has 5 buckshot loads in the stock shell holder and it is kept where she can get it quickly. We don't go looking for trouble, we try to avoid it. But if it comes looking for us we are ready.

8/22/2020 11:48:53 AM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Constitutional rights are not absolute. They never have been and, practically, never can be. ... It is one of the most clearly stated and robustly protected rights in the Constitution, yet it is also subject to numerous restrictions.

8/22/2020 2:17:36 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

No argument from me on that one, Scott.

Restrictions on free speech, like not yelling fire in a crowded theater, free press, like printing intentionally false, harmful information. OK.

Restrictions on guns, like not charging into a crowded theater waving a gun, not carelessly brandishing a gun and pointing it at people, not trying to sneak a gun into a jail. OK.

As long as exercising your rights does not cause harm to others, you are OK. Try to misuse a right to harm someone and you can be sanctioned by appropriate laws.

So the government has the right to prohibit the use of weapons for the purpose of harming someone or denying them their rights. What the government cannot do is restrict a person's right to buy as many guns as he or she desires, place limits on magazine capacity, restrict the types of weapons you can own.

The government should have the ability to take guns from the mentally ill, as long as due process is followed. If someone accuses you of being a danger, you should be allowed to face the accuser in open court, have legal representation, a chance to defend yourself, and appeal rights. No secret hearings with no defense. And if accusations are made falsely, mistakenly or maliciously, the gun owner should not be responsible for any legal expenses.

8/22/2020 3:54:31 PM

Jimbo01

Mid Michigan

Iowegian, I hope you forgot to mention that you have trigger locks on your loaded firearms while your gone from home receiving chemo treatments.

8/22/2020 5:18:37 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

When I am not home, there is a responsible adult in the house 99% of the time. Otherwise, the house is locked and we have a very loud, medium size dog in the house. My guns are safe. There are no children around our home. I am not required by my state laws to have trigger locks on my firearms. My fully loaded guns are placed where they would be hard for someone to find but where I can get to them quickly.

I want my guns to be ready and available for use with very little delay. We used to have a meth cooker in our neighborhood who preferred a .22 rifle. Once I was sitting by an open window and he shot right past it. Once he shot over my head in my garden once he shot close to me in my driveway. Twice he waited up past midnight to take shots at my daughter when she got home from work. Liked to hid in the pine trees across the road. It takes 5 to 15 minutes for the sheriff's department to respond. Back when my daughter was 3 yrs and my son 3 months, a couple drunks drove down the road at night and shot our house with a 12 ga shotgun. Tried to take out the windows where we kept the baby swing. Didn't allow for movement of car and barely missed. We have had dangerous dogs dumped here, neighbor's livestock including bulls and sows with pigs wander through. a pet bear escaped less than 1/4 mile away, sick raccoons, and the occasional mountain lion pass through. When I need a gun, I need it NOW, no time to hunt for keys to unlock guns.

8/22/2020 7:11:08 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

When my children were young, I did not keep any guns loaded. They were both instructed to never touch them unless I was with them, and they never tried to get to them. They knew what would happen if they did. When they were old enough they got training like my brother and I did; we rotated between carrying an unloaded single shot .22 and a bb gun. My son took the hunter safety course, my daughter took the concealed carry class and has a permit. I take safety very seriously and was a volunteer hunter safety instructor for the state for several years.

8/22/2020 7:34:39 PM

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