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Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

For someone who didn't have the courage to put on the uniform he sure likes pushing the button.

1/7/2020 8:07:05 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Neville Chamberlain and European leaders tried to appease Hitler by giving him the Sudetenland and ignoring his military buildup. Was Churchill then accused of starting WWII? No. Hitler was blamed, and Chamberlain and the others shared the blame for not stopping Hitler sooner.

Obama and European leaders tried to appease Iran by letting them slowly build up their nuclear capacity. Obama also helped Iran build their conventional weapons with around $150 Billion. All of them gave lip service to Iran's funding of terror. So the blame goes to Trump?

In my opinion, the blame goes to Iran, with an assist from Obama and European leaders.

Obama never put on a uniform, but he sent a lot of people into battle, and launched a lot of drone strikes like the one that took out the Iranian general. He even ordered the killing of an American citizen by drone. No due process. Just an assassination. Violation of the constitution? I think so. But he is blameless?

Iranian backed troops carried out the attack on our embassy. Not Trump. Trump has the responsibility to protect our citizens and territory, the embassy. Iranians have been chanting "Death to America" for 40 years since they over-ran our embassy in Tehran and took our citizens hostage for 444 days. They attacked shipping, shot down our drone, bombed an ally's oil facilities. And you call it Trump's fault? Really? Did Trump hold a gun to their heads?

Makes about as much sense as Al Gore claiming he invented the internet. Just more democrat fantasy.

1/7/2020 9:17:25 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

President Obama signed up with the selective service when he turned 18 years old like all American men have to do but he graduated from high school in 79 after the Vietnam War had ended. He was never called to serve. Trump however graduated in 68 from college and was drafted/called to serve. He chose to dodge the draft rather than to serve. Still waiting for those bone spur reports.

1/7/2020 10:21:56 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Do you remember Vietnam? A neighbor coming home with a torn up leg after stepping on a land mine? Another guy in town coming home in a box? A cousin spending 2 years on an aircraft carrier, patching holes in planes lucky enough to make it back. The doctor with a kid 1 year older moving to Canada? Rich people could do that. Nightly death toll on the evening news. over 50,000 dead for nothing? Our troops not allowed to win? It was a stupid, screwed up time. There was a lot of hatred towards draft dodgers, but after the horrors of that mess were fully known, there was amnesty and forgiveness. But that doesn't apply now if it means a political advantage. Convenient to bring up the old hate. I guess that it is NEW liberal dogma. Jimmy Carter was able to forgive 40 years ago. But Clinton democrats still hold the hate when they can use it to divide the country all over again. Keep on hating all those deplorable people that don't accept the new world order democrats.

I had to register for the draft. Had to sweat it out. Draft ended 3 months before I was eligible. No way I could get to Canada, and wouldn't have done it anyway. I don't hold any grudges. In fact, I applaud those who resisted the draft and forced an end to that stupid war. Or should everyone just gone along with it? Maybe we could have lost 75,000 or 100,000. Yeah, those draft dodgers screwed up, got the war ended too soon and saved too many lives. Yep, hold on to the hate.

1/7/2020 11:47:32 PM

Garden Rebel (Team Rebel Rousers)

Lebanon, Oregon

Yes, Biden wants diplomacy. I’m thinking we should send Joe Joe and Pelosi to Iran immediately to try to work things out with these angry people.
You know, the same people that publicly hung individuals because they were gay. I sure Buttigieg would be able to negotiate some with them. Soleimani was one of the most evil people around. And about Trump being a draft dodger?
“What difference does it make!” He did the right thing where others wouldn’t.

1/8/2020 1:29:58 AM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Only time will tell.

1/8/2020 2:40:12 AM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

According to Trump this is to stop a war. I no longer trust him. I dont see how he is helping America. We dont need the oil... What does it benefit us to be there? & It will be blindingly easy in hindsight to say, look at all the red flags we ignored.

1/8/2020 4:26:33 AM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

Just dont think he is anymore representing the best interests of the average American. Sure, he still represents many though. Maybe he is highly rational and has good morals? But if he can rationalize 'forced sex' with his wife... he can rationalize anything... Bad also. What is his limit? I guess he does represent some of us but I think now he is trying to win Hillary's vote, not mine. She is probably loving this warmongering. Trump and Hillary, sitting in a tree..!

1/8/2020 5:01:17 AM

OLD-ROOKIE

NILES , CALIF

Garden Rebel;
That's a good one sending Joe Biden and Pelosi to Iran;
The both of um have know idea where there at or what day it is
OLD JOE is the Demos hope and all the Trump haters on this site to win the Whitehouse ?? Crazy

1/8/2020 5:12:52 AM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

i am only bashing Trump because he is not living up to 'America first'. I could care less about an embassy buijding.

1/8/2020 6:09:05 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Sure. Let terrorists destroy our embassy. After all it is only sovereign American territory. The people inside are only American citizens. No more important than a small town in SW Washington. We can sacrifice that territory and those citizens. Remember it is America first. Our diplomats are disposable assets. and when they come for a town on our west coast, remember, they are no different than our embassy staff. Just citizens, nothing more.

1/8/2020 7:57:59 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Why are we being so hard on poor little Iran? The democrats are so worried about what the big bad bully will do to them. They aren't so bad. All they did to us was capture our embassy. Hold our people captive for 444 days. So they have chanted death to America for 40 years. We must deserve it. After all, we supported the Shah, who kept those poor radicals under control, and treated women like equals to men. It went against their religious tradition to treat women like property. Since the Shah left,they are free to execute political opponents, gays, Jews, Christians and anyone else they want to kill. Why should Trump be so hard on them? Why all the sanctions? Our liberals are on their side now. They have to be on the side of Iran because that is what it takes to hate Trump.

I don't want war any more than anyone else. I say it is time to bug out. Let Iran eat Iraq. They deserve each other.

1/8/2020 8:11:50 AM

Jane & Phil

Ontario, Canada

You democrats are an embarrassing yourselves. Maybe you all should move to Iran.

1/8/2020 10:11:12 AM

PumpkinBrat

Paradise Mountain, New York

Trump didn't start another war! He has been doing all the right things with Iran. Great President who has done America great in all areas.....

1/8/2020 12:49:05 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/01/08/trump-american-people-should-be-extremely-grateful-and-happy-as-iran-stands-down-after-attack/23897063/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYW9sLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKIkKrSOns8jS8-BD32l2HiuLf0HAoA4HDGs-i-npz61tUiPsTiFzlqyMLnKnx3BaoBuXmU-i1ZNLROQCDueR_p1sY4eGWuIGaLJuQYlK3BBP6LtZxINGstrFw6DaW6hbeCMiiMNBnZxERmW4Rn63txG24TEUrKucsZght6uNkgx

Too bad. Trump isn't starting a war after all. He said “The United States is ready to embrace peace with all who seek it,”. Ball is in Iran's court now. Of course, if they keep on attacking, democrats will still blame Trump.

1/8/2020 12:50:15 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Were you cheering when Americans were hiding out in Canada to avoid the Vietnam War? You got it good you just don't realize it. How many wars have Canada started? How many countries does Canada have military bases in? You guys rely on the good ole USA military might for your security. All awhile giving your government the flexibility to provide health care to all your citizens. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me. As a lifelong tax paying American citizen I take offense to welfare countries that rely on the United States criticizing either party it's really none of your business.

1/8/2020 1:37:38 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

On August 8, 1944, the Anglo-American Petroleum Agreement was signed, dividing Middle Eastern oil between the United States and Britain.

1/8/2020 1:40:36 PM

spudder

Canada has never recovered from the Avro Aero and what happened. Look where the top engineers ended up. In my opinion, we were basically told to behave ourselves and let older bigger brother look after us. People should be able to figure out which political party sold us out and yet proclaim to be pro armed forces.
As far as I am concerned , instead of offshore tax cuts for the wealthy, we should have made and developed in Canada upgrade to our Armed Forces(not by private enterprise)
Spudley , I guess nobody wanted a repeat of the whupping we gave you guys in 1812(just teasing)

1/8/2020 4:55:32 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Lol, I hear ya.

1/8/2020 5:06:51 PM

North Shore Boyz

Mill Bay, British Columbia

Scott, we sold you Alaska...your welcome.

1/8/2020 7:46:12 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Lol, I thought Trump made that deal.

1/8/2020 8:19:17 PM

Smallmouth (Team Ozark)

Missouri

Sorry Spud, we bought your home state from the Russians and it was Rasputin’s dad who negotiated the deal.

1/8/2020 8:43:39 PM

Jane & Phil

Ontario, Canada

LOL. Scott. "welfare countries that rely on the United States". You don't contribute any money to Canada & we can take care of our own border, thank you. Your Dem leader Obama sent skids of cash to Iran. That is welfare & where did it get them?
Now Trump has to deal with the regime & we found out how he's willing to deal with them. No cash deals from him.

1/9/2020 11:28:09 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Spudley, if you ant to know who the welfare countries are, just look at NATO. Most, but not all, rely on the USA to defend them. And when Trump told them to pay their fair share, what did the democrats say about it? They cried that he was mistreating our allies. That they couldn't depend on us anymore. Yes, the democrats were all for giving welfare to those countries, and opposed the President for trying to look out for us taxpayers.

Canada has been a good ally for a long time. Who do you think gave us the sites to build our missile defense system? How safe would we have been without those radar installations watching for attacks from USSR? Who was a major ally in WWII? We share the longest un-guarded border on the planet. Around here, we say good fences make good neighbors. But with Canada, we have great neighbors without a fence.

So if Canadians want to express opinions about our politicians, I don't care. And I bet they wouldn't be too badly offended if we made cracks about their Prime Minister.

1/9/2020 11:47:21 AM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Donald Trump thinks that most alliance members, starting with France and Canada, are a bunch of ungrateful and unhelpful freeloaders. Fair to say, also, that most of those members see Trump as an erratic, pompous, dangerous simpleton.

1/9/2020 2:58:07 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

The United States and Russia aren’t allies. But Trump and Putin are.
That's why he wants NATO out of the way and gone. He embraces our enemies and shits on her allies.

1/9/2020 3:02:09 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Almost half a billion people live in South and Central America, and more than 600 million people live in Latin America which includes Mexico. The current population of Canada is 37.6 million people.
The United States is the fence between Central America/South America and Canada Besides the economic opportunity migrants seek is not in Canada. It's in the United States. Nobody's rushing to Canada.

1/9/2020 3:17:42 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

On the eve of the World War 2 in 1939, Canada only had a population of 11 million people despite its vast size. Her army was small, her navy was but a fleet of 15 ships, and her air force consisted only of 275 aircraft most of which were obsolete.
Were they freeloaders then well if you use the same logical reasoning Trump uses they were worse.

1/9/2020 3:29:30 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Yeah,those new sanctions Trump put on Russia are proof that he and Putin are buddies.
So are the Russians that got in the way of Trump bombing Syria for using chemical weapons. I bet Putin was thrilled with those coffins coming back to mother Russia.

You really need to give up on the Russian collusion fantasy. There was noting to it. It was just a diversion from the truth of Hillary's campaign enlisting Russians to develop the phony dossier so they could commit perjury to get FISA warrant to spy on Trump's campaign. Took attention away from a certain former Secretary of State approving the sale of uranium to Russia. You know which one I am talking about. The one who took millions from Russia for her "foundation". The one who's husband was paid big bucks to make a speech in Russia.

Maybe all of these accusations of Trump being an ally of Putin is are just a diversion from the fact that the real Quislings who sold out to Putin are Bill and Hillary.

Yep. The Clintons are Quislings. And Obama is a Chamberlain. Collaborators and an appeaser.

1/9/2020 5:53:46 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Trump administration is quietly fighting a new package of sanctions on Russia, The Daily Beast has learned. A Trump State Department official sent a 22-page letter to a top Senate chairman on Tuesday making a wide-ranging case against a new sanctions bill.

1/9/2020 6:36:08 PM

DKrus

Cheshire Ma USA


Hillary was President, Solomani would have committed accidental suicide !!!

1/10/2020 9:10:01 AM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

SEOUL (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump sent a happy birthday message to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, South Korea's national security adviser Chung Eui-Yong said on Friday.
Chung, who met Trump in Washington this week, told reporters that he was given a message to pass to North Korea and it was delivered on Thursday.

1/10/2020 2:56:08 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

You don't get someone to talk to you if all you do is antagonize them. But democrats don't like Trump talking to Kim. Makes them look bad. Trump is having more success with Kim than any President in my lifetime (almost 66 years). That drives the democrats nuts. They will accept bad results for the country if it makes political hay for them.

So Trump was polite and civil towards Kim. What is wrong with that? The sanctions are still on and Trump isn't budging on that. Democrats are frothing at the mouth, looking ridiculous.

1/10/2020 6:53:31 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

I do not know about more success. I have a bit closer perspective. My ex-wife was born in Seoul, and we have had both her parents (multiple times) and both of her sisters visit with my daughters cousins. What happened to North Korea will never have nuclear bomb capability. I guess Trump forgot he said that. When I visited Korea, I was touring a korean ancient palace built in the 1300's. The air raid sirens went off and everyone scrambled for cover. I was a stupid american and wanted to see what was coming. Thru the past 14 of my marriage years...everything that goes on between north and south korea is a non-event in the lives of the people over there. I asked my wife what her family thought of it..it was not even a subject that warranted any interest to mention. When you live your whole life in that situation, it becomes normal.

What has Trump changed about the North-South Korea situation...I think absolutely nothing.

My daughter has some very sweet, intelligent cousins that she loves much, Nyanhea, Sunni, and Inhe. Their parents are hopeful that they can excel good enough to be accepted Harvard or equivalent. Perspective from close..or distant can be very different.

1/10/2020 7:11:37 PM

TruckTech1471

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Obama funded it spuds. Go back to 1978 and even as near as the Benghazi denial. This president picked up the phone when they called, unlike your beloved Hillary and her ignorant boss Hussein.

150 billion in frozen assets released by Hussein and 1.8 billion in cash placed on an airport tarmac all because Hussein was a devout Muslim seeking the total destruction of Israel. What better way than to turn loose a rogue regime flush with cash.

You libtards are a lot less smart than you give yourselves credit for.

1/11/2020 12:08:43 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

North Korea got nukes when OBAMA was president. Already there when Trump took office. North and South are now talking. Didn't they have joint team for last winter Olympics? Trump is first president to meet face to face with North Korean leader,first to walk into North Korea. My father was drafted because we were in a shooting war
in Korea. Couldn't get a 6 month deferment to take care of his mother who was dying of cancer. 1968 North Korea attacked and captured the USS Pueblo. But there is no progress? Whatever makes you feel better.

1/11/2020 1:09:45 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

On October 9, 2006, North Korea announced it had successfully conducted its first nuclear test. An underground nuclear explosion was detected, its yield was estimated as less than a kiloton, and some radioactive output was detected. On January 6, 2007, the North Korean government further confirmed that it had nuclear weapons.

1/11/2020 2:46:03 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

OMG you guys are watching far too much Fox so-called news and OAN TV. Just goes to show you even smart people are gullible when their hearts are filled with hate. Sad very sad.

1/11/2020 2:50:24 PM

TruckTech1471

South Bloomfield, Ohio

The Democrat party redefined the word hate spuds, with the help and prodding of their complicit media. But anything which blinds them so badly that they implode on a daily basis is OK by me. It only ensures Trump's re-election that much more.

When are you going to admit that the liberal news poison you swallow each and everyday is contributing to the utter destruction your favorite party by pandering lie after lie and fake news as if it were gospel?

The big difference between liberal viewers and conservative viewers is that conservatives know when they're being lied to and liberals know it but choose to believe it anyway.

1/12/2020 5:22:26 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

October 9, 2006
On October 9, 2006, North Korea demonstrated its nuclear capabilities with its first underground nuclear test, detonating a plutonium based device with an estimated yield of 0.2–1 kilotons.
North Korea's interest in nuclear power and nuclear weapons started back in the 60s. For you guys to blame the Obama administration for North Korea obtaining nuclear weapons is just simply ridiculous.
And for Christ's sakes if you know you're being lied to then why in the hell do you repeat those lies as if they were fact. There's only two reasons you would do that. One is you don't have the capacity to sort it all out or two you just hate the other side it's a game it's tribalism.

1/13/2020 2:27:27 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

N Korea got tiny fission bombs when Bush was President. They developed bigger thermonuclear (hydrogen)bombs when Obama was president. They were already well armed with nukes when Trump took office.

The truth is that no president before Trump had any success slowing down N Korea's nuke program. But after they fired off a 250 kiloton bomb less than 8 months after Trump took office, they stopped testing. Was it because the bomb messed up their testing facility,or was it because of the the pressure Trump put on them? Good question.

Kim got all bent out of shape over a comedy film about killing him. The movie ended up getting stopped because everyone was scared of what Kim might do. But Trump insulted Kim, called him "Little Rocket Man" and threatened him with total destruction. All the democrats and media warned we would have a nuclear war. And what happened? Face to face talks about removing all nukes from Korea.

Democrats and the media were embarrassed by Trump's successes. They won't give it up. All they have left is hate for Trump.

1/13/2020 7:58:15 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

really iowegian...do you really think that north korea has removed all nukes. North Korea is a nuclear power....the only one in range is South Korea..where all of my in-laws live. All this rocket man and dotard comments mean nothing. Yes, the US has the capability to wipe North Korea clean...it is at the expense of losing my extended family (south korea). If it is america first, nothing that affects us not on the homeland matters. Those of us that have a more global tie..it makes a difference.

1/13/2020 8:11:59 PM

TruckTech1471

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Spuds, you obviously missed the gist of my post.

1/14/2020 7:19:25 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

I never said N Korea got rid of their nukes. Of course they didn't. It was our stated goal to keep them from getting nukes, but nobody got serious about it. And there is now more than just the south that is in range. Japan can easily be hit by their mid range missiles. And if they perfect their long range missiles, Hawaii and the west coast will be in range. And they are working on submarine based missiles that put the entire planet in range. And don't forget how far the fallout travels. I can remember back to the late 50's and 60's when Iowa was getting hit by radiation from the Nevada test site. My father was in Nevada for 7 nuke tests and was one of a very few who did not develop cancer from it. He saw first hand what the fallout did to test animals. I think it is vital to try to get the crazy little rocket man to give up his nukes.

Why would anyone cheer for Trump to fail in dealing with Kim? Pretty damn stupid, if you ask me.

Others tried appeasing N Korea and they failed miserably. Trump is using the opposite strategy. Get tough. Put the squeeze on them until they agree to get rid of the nukes. Or do you think we should just sty the course, do what has failed for the past 65 years?

bnot, you aren't the only one with ties to Korea. My father was not able to care for his dying mother because of the war to protect Korea. My wife's cousin adopted 2 kids from Korea. If my wife hadn't been exposed to Gulf War Syndrome, had her lungs damaged and ended up with severe asthma, we would have adopted a kid from Korea as well. Our neighbor's adopted 2 kids from Korea, the daughter worked one summer as a student trainee with me at NRCS. So, yes, I am concerned with what happens over there. Concerned enough to put partisan political jealousy aside. Concerned enough to want to drop the stupid, failed policies and try something different.

1/14/2020 8:14:53 AM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

And I quote "North Korea got nukes when OBAMA was president. Already there when Trump took office." That statements only half true nuclear weapons were there when both of these men took office. Why would you lie about something that's so obvious and easily verified fact-checked.

1/14/2020 3:00:22 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

I made a mistake. I had the dates wrong. The low yield fission bomb (A Bombs) was detonated by N Korea in 2006 when Bush was President. A couple years before Obama. N Korea claimed to have detonated a much more powerful thermonuclear bombs in 2015. (H bombs) when Obama was President. Shorty after Trump took office N Korea conducted their last test detonation,and it was determined that they had figured out how to build thermonuclear bombs small enough to launch with ICBM's. I made a mistake and I apologize.

I also said that "no president before Trump had any success slowing down N Korea's nuke program." I think I can safely stand behind that statement. Steady progress to a very powerful bomb, 10 times the power of the Nagasaki bomb. But there have been no more tests since September 2017.

And once Trump started talking tough with Kim, the democrats and media warned that he was going to start a nuclear war with him. Then when he got Kim to talk, he was criticized for that. Giving a despot credibility. Then he and Kim are buddies. No matter what Trump does with Kim, the democrats and will find fault. It looks to me like they are cheering for him to fail. If our President fails, our nation fails. It seems obvious to me that democrats are willing to have bad things happen for our nation if it means political gains for them. They no longer have the welfare of the nation as a goal. Just their own power.

Is Trump really having success or is Kim just stalling while he builds up more bombs? Who knows? But talking peace is sure a lot better than talking war, right? Or is hatred for Trump more important?

1/14/2020 9:37:56 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

While have been impressed with Trump's success in negotiating trade deals and potential progress on the war front, I am not convinced he is the best person for the job. I didn't vote for him in 2016 because I didn't trust his judgment or his brash attitude. He still is way too conceited, too interested in his image. Too much TV personality showing through.

Thing is, I don't see a good alternative. The democrats are too socialist. Too much big government control over everything. Too concerned with disarming honest citizens and incapable of controlling criminals. I have personal experience to convince me that I can't rely on the police to protect me and my family, and that they will not enforce gun laws against criminal.

So unless someone better comes along, I will have to hold my nose and hope I don't toss my cookies when voting for Trump. I never thought I would ever even consider voting republican, but the democrats have gone way too far left for me to accept. When they cheer for our enemies to hurt our president politically, they are no longer worth to be considered Americans.

And this thread started with Trump starting another war. What happened? Iranian people revolting. Refusing to walk on Israeli and American flags. Demanding that the Ayatollah step down. That war with Iran doesn't look like it will happen right now. Is that good for America and something to be hopeful about, or is it something to hate because it isn't bad for our President?

1/14/2020 10:32:51 PM

Jane & Phil

Ontario, Canada

Trump may be a bit of a loud-mouth & do things different, but that is what is needed in this day & age in the political world. Other Countries won't fear or respect any of these democrats hopefuls & will end up just walking all over America again if they get elected. If you don't have a strong President, you can't expect to have a strong country.

1/15/2020 7:50:56 AM

Jane & Phil

Ontario, Canada

Oh Ya & I think Iowegian is right on with his posting. I just don't think you need to hold your nose to vote if you believe Trump is better for the country, then this list of far-left liberals. Their main guy Biden has way too much baggage & he has a bad case of old-timers. Can't remember what he said, starts talking about strange things in the middle of debates & rallies & more. Can you trust this guy running the country? Maybe he could appease the Rocket Man into playing with his long leg hairs instead of playing with nukes.

1/15/2020 8:08:45 AM

roger80

Susquehanna Pa

I think we should go with the son of middle class man who never earned more than $6,000 a year in his life, rather than a man that was handed and backed up by millions of dollars, went bankrupted 11 times before actually making any money for himself. Mike Bloomberg who cares about about urgent issues like climate change, backed by scientists that know way more than we or Trump knows, gun-violence, public health and education, and I’m sure has a much higher IQ than acting president Trump.

1/15/2020 10:33:06 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Roger80, are you following what is happening in Virginia and their Bloomberg financed democrat legislature?

They aren't satisfied with assault weapon and magazine bans, red flag confiscation,etc. They want to outlaw gun safety training and indoor shooting ranges. They want to increase prison funding so they can lock up anyone who won't give up their guns and use the national guard to confiscate guns and arrest gun owners. They want to give the vote to felons and mentally ill, end voter ID. They even propose to give all of their presidential electoral votes to the winner of the NATIONAL popular vote,meaning Virginia's voters won't count. Their governor just declared all state property off limits to any weapons of any kind, even for those with a carry permit, for an upcoming 2nd amendment rally. He thinks he can suspend his state's laws all by himself.

Bloomberg doesn't think that "average citizens" should be allowed to possess guns. He criticized the person who stopped the recent Texas church shooter, saying only police should have guns.

Virginia's governor fits right in with Bloomberg. He admitted that he was in a photo in his college year book. But he refuses to say if he was the one in black face or the KKK outfit. Bloomberg's stop and frisk policy when he was mayor of New York was ruled illegal when the courts determined that it was being used to harass minorities.

So if you want to elect a racist dictator who will deny you the right to have your vote count and the right of self defense but will maintain an armed police force to squash any opposition, go ahead and vote for Bloomberg. Or if you want that kind of nation quicker, just move to Iran or North Korea. Comparing Bloomberg to the rest of the democrat wannabees is like comparing Hitler to a Sunday school class.

1/16/2020 8:33:06 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

OK before I get called a liar, Northam banned all weapons from their capitol property,not all state property.

1/16/2020 8:47:41 AM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

Bloomberg cares? Let me know when the wall street/ tech/ media guy gives all his money to the poor. . . No question in my mind Trump is better for poorer Americans... To me thats the moral issue where Trump still wins. Bloomberg would help us descend into both into tech tyranny and liberal social tyranny. Yeah . . . He is the perfect candidate. . . for the communist left. If you have tons of money-- and dont value your freedom-- he is your man. I would rather have Jeff Epstein magically-back-from-the-'dead' as president.

1/16/2020 9:08:01 AM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

roger80 ... A few things I'll grant you... He could try to take on Trump. Bloomberg would probably choose Hillary as his veep. Then they would torture the right (aka... deplorable average Americans) for four years... Probably eight. Everyone on the left will laugh and think its funny!
I kinda do think Iran was Trump's waterloo and unfortunately ours, too. Trump + real warmongering = fear. It threw me off... It made me fearful of Trump more than Iran. (Bullies using unlimited perhaps even genocidal power... This does frighten me... In my mind talking about destroying Iran's cultural heritage sites WAS genocidal/terrorist talk. If it was just Trump I would say 'ok, whatever... its just his negotiating strategy...' but I can't dismiss it because hawks like Pompeo would be little yes-men to Trump and voila, it's WWIII.)
Add to the mix if there's a hot summer with record low arctic sea ice and Trump is outta there... Trump is gonna lose socially moderate middle income voters because he has no message for them. Adding a woman to the Bloomberg ticket would be hard for Trump to fight back. Poor white males and NRA votes is not gonna be enough. Virginia used to be a red state now look at it . . . It's the California of the East.

1/16/2020 10:01:42 AM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

Grant me this though: Trump does good as the underdog.
2nd: its obscene and stupid that really rich old guys can buy their way onto the debate stage and knock a fun grassroots guy like Yang off the stage. Everyone on the left: This should make you sick?!!!

1/16/2020 10:23:42 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

I wouldn't call Yang "fun grassroots". Maybe totally nuts. Where is he going to get money to give everyone $1000 a month? Around 250 million people age 18 an older would take $3 Trillion a year in taxes on corporations. Do that and the corporations will just shut down. And if people get that much free income, how would you get people to do the really dirty jobs? Why collect garbage, fix the sewers, etc, when you get free money for doing nothing? I did some really nasty jobs in the bulldozer factory, came out dirty, looking like a coal miner. Or surveying a stinking, filthy feedlot full of flies right after a rain in 95 degree heat or checking terrace construction in below zero wind chill when I worked for NRCS. I got good money to do those jobs. But if I could have gotten by doing nothing, why would I have gone through all of that? Yang just doesn't understand human nature.

So vote Bloomberg if you like tyranny or vote Yang if you like insanity.

1/16/2020 2:08:44 PM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

If we are capitalists then where is our dividend? Most of us are not capitalists... we dont recieve any dividend. We are serfs and we are ruled by capitalists. Our country is an example of financial fuedalism... Not financial capitalism. Being capitalist and being ruled by capitalists--it sounds the same but its quite different actually...

1/16/2020 3:44:31 PM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

Most Americans just want to work and come home and drink a beer. I think thats fine. Thats a model that works for most people and you have the freedom to brew 100 gallons at home so its all good as long as you have a job and a home... it doesnt really matter. Congress could be a bunch of muppets we could live in a muppetocracy and most of us would not notice any difference.

1/16/2020 3:53:13 PM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

If I work harder I get taxed more... Thats not really an incentive to work either.

1/16/2020 4:09:24 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Just think about it if you worked really really really hard only your employees would have to pay taxes not you. Sounds like a sweet deal aye!

1/16/2020 6:03:10 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

I actually like Yang, but I am thinking his ideas are more fitting for 50 years in the future. When robots are doing 95% or more of the work, don't think that can't happen, most jobs are vulnerable to automation, those that actually work could be those that want to fly around in private jets. Alternative to basic income approach...the population starves because they cant find a job to pay for food. I don't think Yang's ideas are yet necessary, and the economic ramifications would throw everything to disarray. But, for my great, great,great grandchildren....much more time and still have a quality of life...I think it could be great for them. Robots and automation...does it improve human situation or hurt hit.

1/16/2020 6:16:26 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

it

1/16/2020 6:17:04 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

If you are a capitalist and sell your labor to your employer, your dividends are your pay and fringe benefits. I will always be in favor of labor unions. I look at them as labor corporations. Workers pool their labor together to have bargaining strength. Just like stockholders pool their money to form corporations.

One problem with the corporate tax system is our corrupt supreme court.They gave corporations "person" status when it comes to giving money to super pacs. and since corporations get real big, they basically have enough money to buy elections. Another problem is crooked politicians who sell their souls and our nation to the biggest bribe. They wrote the laws so they can be bribed, as long as it is disguised as campaign contributions. The final problem is stupid voters who keep electing democrats and republicans. Both parties are in over their heads in the bribery cesspool.

1/16/2020 6:34:52 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

"If I work harder I get taxed more.". True. But the government doesn't take everything. The more you earn,the more you keep. So there is incentive to work harder. My wife just got paid today, included working the New Year holiday and some overtime. She had more tax deductions than ever, but the biggest take home pay ever. Incentive.

1/16/2020 6:39:51 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Corporate profit is supposed to be paid to stockholders as dividends and they then pay tax on that, plus capital gain tax if they sell stock at a profit. But capital gain is taxed at a lower rate than wages. That is just plain evil. It amounts to a penalty for working and a bonus for making money just because you have money to invest.

Corporations don't pay all profit out as dividends. A lot is re-invested, which increases stock value but cuts individual tax on dividends. That needs to end. Either tax the corporation for that, or tax the stockholders in proportion to the number of shares they own.

I can see how lower tax rates on corporations helps bring jobs back to America. But it also gives corporations more money to use to bribe politicians. There is a simple fix. Pass a law that says if corporations give money to political campaigns, they pay the same rate as people. Person rights should come with person responsibilities. If they want the lower rates, they have to quit giving money to politics. And if they get caught cheating on this,they pay double the individual rates. I bet the corporations would go for the lower taxes, and that would cut the gravy train for the crooked politicians. And help keep jobs here and bring more back. It would give minor parties a more even playing field and maybe break the strangle hold the corrupt 2 party system has on our nation.

1/16/2020 6:55:54 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

too, make my point further... right now there are 3.5 million truck drivers. A little over 1% of the population. 15-20 years from now...self driving trucks will reduce that number significantly. Eventually it will eliminate that career. I look at the top 10 fields of employment...every single one of them is in danger of automation replacement. Do you order food from kiosk now, instead of talking to a live human. Food...order from a kiosk, robot in the kitchen prepares it, and more jobs lost. Employment in the next 50 years is at risk..$500,000 for one machine to replace one human in labor force with 10 year machine life expectancy is a break even proposition. No dealing with calling in sick, or the other human issues. Machines doing our work...great....but how does the population stay alive. Unlimited free time...do arts, high risk science, social caring for the vulnerable start to flourish.

1/16/2020 6:57:35 PM

TruckTech1471

South Bloomfield, Ohio

roger80: Putin would love to have you as a Russian citizen.

1/18/2020 12:16:59 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

bnot,if nobody has a job, how will we survive? Do you think corporations will willingly handover money to support everyone, as Yang suggests? If they are eliminating jobs to save money,they aren't going to give that money away. But then if nobody has job,there will be no one to buy the stuff the corporations make. It looks like both socialism and capitalism will implode. What does that leave? Anarchy? War? Conquer other nations and take what we want?

The high unemployment of the Bush-Obama years is what kept the wars going. People volunteered for the military just for job. With no one getting drafted, no big protests. Now with low unemployment,the military is short on volunteers. If they have to draft people, the doo doo will hit the fan.

Complicated mess, ins't it?

1/18/2020 3:08:38 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

Iowegian, I do not know the answer. I think I will be dead long before this occurs. It is far reaching social implications. When human labor is no longer needed to support human needs...what happens. If there is not society income to support the machines...it crashes. How do you put money into society to support the machines. In reality...machines to do our work is a great thing. It can be done. But to get there how do you keep society still eating.

1/18/2020 3:22:33 PM

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