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G. Kins

Southwest WA

I am getting warts from worrying! . . Just tell me this how far are you willing to let Trump go? If Congress has no power and Trump can declare war via twitter... (Although Congress has done this to themselves... Which is even worse!) How do I know that this war with Iran is not part of a modern 'burning of the Reichstag?'
Maybe Trump is a good guy and acting as God sees best? In which case, great. But if not then... how do we stop him?
I think a twitter ban would be an appropriate censure and I am upset that twitter has not banned him. I would argue that Twitter has to ban him, otherwise they are enabling a modern burning of the Reichstag. He has made Congress impotent via Twitter... I dont think Trump is Hitler... But what do we do if he is? He does appear ready to invade Poland, so to speak. What power do we have left to stop him...?
I believe Twitter must not allow a modern burning of the Reichstag... Very little downside to banning him. The point of checks and balances, is to not get past a point of no return. If we accept that Congress is a now a Eunoch... Then the only check or balance left is to ban him from moderm technology. But Fox will never ban him so perhaps its too late.
I am biased and worried it could be my extended family getting the old 'Japanese treatment' at the border right now.

1/7/2020 12:49:15 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Congress, Bush and Obama are to blame for the present situation. Bush wanted to kill Saddam. I guess he missed signing death warrants for the Texas execution chamber. So he took lies to Congress. Congress didn't want responsibility for the war so they passed a law allowing the President to determine who our enemies are and attack them. That is how Obama was able to send troops to Syria. They never repealed the law.

Obama didn't want the responsibility for dealing with Iran, so he kicked the can down the road. Gave them billions, knowing that by the time they were ready for war, he would be out of office.

Our embassy was attacked by Iranian backed forces. An act of war. Trump had to react. An embassy is our own territory. So he took out the military leader who planned the attack. Just like our military took out Yamamoto in WWII. We certainly don't need another Benghazi, do we?

So you want to deny our President the right of free speech? That is nuts. He is the only one with the guts to do his job. Maybe he is forcing Congress to do their jobs. They need to decide when to go to war. Repeal that unconstitutional law. Get us out of that mess. But until they do, Trump has a legal and moral responsibility to defend our embassy.

We should be standing behind our President, not attacking him like the spineless Quisling democrats. And at the election, we need to fire every last one of that buck passing, gutless Congress. Demand an end to that stupid war mess. And thank the President who has the guts to do his job. We may not like everything he does, but he doesn't weasel his way out of doing his job like congress and his predecessors.

1/7/2020 9:55:54 AM

G. Kins

Southwest WA

Your logic works for me. . . But still worried. I dont know what Trump will do when Iran calls his bluffs... Or are they not bluffs? At least one country is acting sane... Israel. Not sure Iran or Trump are certifiably sane. I dont think the risk was thought out. I dont think Trump accurately weighed the possible downsides. I am worried how many times he can roll the dice before it comes up snake eyes. I wish he would focus on domestic issues.

1/7/2020 10:57:32 AM

Suburban Gardener

Western Washington

How would anyone know the linage of your kids unless someone told them? They look Scandinavian, if anything.

A parent's job is to worry about their kids, I gather.

Take care Brandon!

1/7/2020 12:42:11 PM

cjb

Plymouth, MN

Diplomacy is kicking the can down the road? Agree with it or not, the Iranian nuclear deal was a multi-nation agreement that had diffused the Iran crisis temporarily. Did they suddenly become good guys when it was put into place? No, they were definitely engaged in proxy conflicts with the US. These sorts of proxy conflicts aren't unique and are continuing to happen other US adversaries (e.g. Russia and China).

Assuming he could get a better deal than what was in place, Trump unilaterally withdrew from the nuclear deal. He unilaterally began his maximum pressure campaign on the country's economy. And now he's unilaterally assassinated one of their leading generals. I don't know if this powder keg is going to explode into a full-blown war or not, but Trump owns this conflict now.

1/7/2020 2:02:52 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Probably pretty obvious to the Uranians by now the Americans/Donald Trump can't be trusted. They probably feel like the only way to ensure their survival long-term is to develop a nuclear weapon. They look at North Korea and Donald Trump's love affair with their dictator as proof of that. And once they obtain nuclear weapons they will be untouchable when it comes to conventional warfare. Because dropping a nuclear bomb in the middle East would be like dropping one in a phone booth.

1/7/2020 2:46:25 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

The United States was NOT legally bound by the nuke deal. Obama thought he could do it unilaterally, so he didn't submit it as a treaty to congress. Without treaty status, it was just a piece of paper with Obama's name on it. Same thing with the Paris climate accord. Obama thought he was a dictator and Trump taught him that he wasn't. Give Obama a ribbon for ignorance of the constitution.


Yes, it was kicking the can down the road. Appease Iran, hope they go away. And if they don't our successor gets to deal with it. Obama gets the ribbon for ignoring the lessons of history.

You said it was a multi national agreement. Just like the deal that gave Hitler the Sudetenland. A bunch of European politicians appeasing a power hungry lunatic. Only difference is that they brought Obama into it. Because they knew that if the deal went bad, they didn't want to deal with it. Let the USA save their sorry butts again. Obama was dumb enough to fall for that. Then he sweetened the deal for Iran with around $150 Billion. You can buy a whole lot of guns,bullets and bombs with that much cash. And they have no trouble finding religious fanatics willing to die for a holy war. Another ribbon to Obama for stupidity.

This mess has Obama's tracks and finger prints all over it. Trump is just having to try to clean up a mess that never should have been made in the first place.

1/7/2020 2:59:41 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

It should be obvious that Trump is not to be messed with. Attack our embassy and citizens and face the consequences.

And he put Congress on notice about their idiotic Iraq War II law. What he did was covered by that law. They need to do their job, not pass the buck. I hope they tell Trump to get our troops out of that $h*thole. Congress was stupid to let Bush and Obama drag it out so long. They never should have allowed it to happen. Bush should have been impeached for lying to Congress. Obama should have been impeached over Fast and Furious.

1/7/2020 3:08:29 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Iran isn't building nukes for survival. They want world domination, just like Hitler. Look at their actions since overthrowing the Shah. Jihad. Spudley, I can't believe you really think Iran is only worried about survival.

And you think that Trump is buddy with the guy he called Little Rocket Man and threatened with total destruction? That democrat line is just say whatever looks bad for Trump. First he is going to start nuclear war with North Korea. Then he is going to team up with Kim and wipe out Iran. And poor Iran only just wants to get along with everyone? They would only build a nuke for self defense? Really? Which way is it?

1/7/2020 3:19:16 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

I believe nothing Donald Trump says he's a blathering idiot. If you're basing your opinions on what he says and does you're just as lost.

1/7/2020 4:51:32 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Shortly after Trump got elected he said to the Mexican president quit saying publicly Mexico won't pay for the wall. Trump admitting to the Mexican president he didn't expect them to pay for the wall. Just like he wanted the Ukrainians to publicly announce on CNN they were opening an investigation into the Biden's. Trump didn't care or require that they were going to actually do an investigation but just announce that they were. Smoke and mirrors. Optics over objectives. He's a two-bit con artist.

1/7/2020 5:41:57 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

https://www.axios.com/trump-iran-war-obama-957a39c2-d0b9-4041-bb71-c3dfa12339d5.html

1/7/2020 6:15:30 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

It is sad when I have to check bias for news sources that I do not know.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/axios/

Axios comes in left-center bias with factual reporting. I do not know if trump comments from 2011 oboma are really relevant to current situation other than 8 years ago trump was not a big supporter of obama.

I am holding off opinion about this current Iran situation until those that are allowed the facts can review the facts and decide if it met the criteria for "imminent attack".

In my mind, international law trumps Trump.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51007961



1/7/2020 6:30:30 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

I'm not asking anybody to opine on the website just listen to what Donald Trump said.

1/7/2020 6:35:15 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

as a side note, bbc comes in slightly biased left with factual reporting also

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bbc/

1/7/2020 6:35:39 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

my favorite news source right now is Reuters

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/reuters/

The topic of communist propaganda came up. There are many forms of idealogical thought propaganda. Check where you get your news...are you being manipulated by the media

1/7/2020 6:45:29 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

So where do you put Fox News?

1/7/2020 7:07:50 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

Fox news come in as right biased and mixed for factual reporting

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news/

cnn comes in as left biased and mostly factual reporting

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn/

they are about even distance from center.
Even this website, I questioned, How could North Korea Times be least biased. Then I read more...they are based out of Australia. Here is the list of what they consider center.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/center/

If I was a news organization...it is where I would want to be. Unfortunately, most of the big names are absent.

1/7/2020 7:22:32 PM

G. Kins

Southwest WA

Yes Suburban they did not all inherit it. And all I can say is that the culture is spiritually very different than ours... Trump has no clue and most Americans are clueless. Iranians are detached and in their own world... The best analogy is dogs and cats. Unless his plan is nuclear war (we should assume so???) then all of this amounts to dogs barking at a cat. Its either stupid bravado or the start of WWIII. Either way its stupid.

1/8/2020 3:58:27 AM

G. Kins

Southwest WA

Want to get smart about Iran? Start by watching the movie Argo, and then talk to some Iranians. . . The weird thing is that the rhetoric from the Ayatollah doesnt match the Iranian culture. Unfortunately, they are not the best at communication.
If anyone believes I have any wisdom, then let me share my opinion with you. My opinion: We would be much better off to have an war of (truthful) words than a military showdown.

1/8/2020 5:48:16 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

We don't need another war.
And I agree that the average Iranian is far different than the Ayatollahs.
Problem is that the Ayatollahs run the show. With the support of the violent, radical minority.

But you can't fix another country from outside. They need to fix their own mess. If we step in, they will resent us and that just empowers the radicals. Bush and Obama tried regime change and nation building, and failed. What we need to do is step back and let them run their own affairs. Just don't let them try to take over the world. Contain them and let their people get fed up and take their lands back. And if they don't fix their own mess, they deserve what they get.

1/8/2020 8:57:50 AM

Suburban Gardener

Western Washington

"The Iranian In-Laws" could be a great movie.

1/9/2020 1:51:03 PM

MCPUMPKIN

Usa

Since the Iranian Revolution in 1979, the government of Iran has been accused by several countries of training, financing, and providing weapons and safe havens for non-state militant actors, such as Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza, and other Palestinian groups (Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-GC)). These groups are designated terrorist groups by a number of countries and international bodies; however, Iran considers such groups to be "national liberation movements" with a right to self-defense in the face of Israeli military occupation.[1] The United States State Department has also accused Iranian-backed Iraqi Shia militias of terrorism against US troops, and Iran of cyberterrorism, primarily through its Quds Force.[2]

Terrorists,and their masters deserve only one thing,,,death.

1/11/2020 12:00:49 PM

TruckTech1471

South Bloomfield, Ohio

CNN is much more credible, eh spuds?

1/11/2020 12:11:36 PM

TruckTech1471

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Winning sucks.

1/11/2020 12:12:33 PM

Jane & Phil

Ontario, Canada

Fox news is the one news station that looks at both sides of the issues. They tell the regular news, instead of just discussing impeaching Trump or telling us how much worst he is then Hitler & others. They lean to the right, but they usually have commentators from the Dem party to debate with the republicans guests. CNN & others are just anti-Trump & anti republican stations. They only show 1 side of the issue, they cherry pick certain terms & statements, instead of telling the whole story. Just look at CNN's story accusing a young boy for teasing an native american. Not sure how much that cost CNN, but it certainly hasn't taught them any lessons about making sure your telling the truth to the American people. They seem to be more anti-American for some strange reason.

1/12/2020 9:34:47 AM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

Jane & Phil, Fox is most definitely right. Someone that slants right in beliefs might think they are centered...same as someone that slants left might think CNN is centered. It becomes reaffirming your political perspective. Neither score very high as far as neutrality. I feel that the biggest issue in the past decades has been the loss of impartiality in news. I am hoping that those that read Fox..realise..that they are being exposed to right wing propaganda..and those that read CNN are realizing that they are being exposed to left wing propaganda. How to balance the propaganda is difficult.

1/13/2020 6:44:07 PM

roger80

Susquehanna Pa

What’s wrong with ABC, NBC, AND CBS, they were never called fake news until the name calling, immature, lying, selfish , greedy , narcissistic President that is unfortunately in office now and backed up by a republican party which has become thoroughly corrupt because of Trump.

1/13/2020 8:38:40 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

to answer your question...abc news is rated at left-center bias, nbc new is listed at left center bias and cbs is listed at left center bias..none of these are as far left as cnn. All three are more centered than either Fox are CNN. I think this because these organizations rel y on the AP wihich i left central.

1/13/2020 8:55:58 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

many typing mistakes...sort it out...or do your own research

1/13/2020 8:58:28 PM

TruckTech1471

South Bloomfield, Ohio

The network stations are just as biased toward the left as CNN and PMSNBC, but are less openly blatant about it.

1/14/2020 7:22:34 AM

roger80

Susquehanna Pa

Maybe all three are left center bias because these organizations are based on the truth. I think if you fact checked and compared them all you would find this out. After all when Fox and Trump get together after one of his ridiculous rallies they are full of misinformation.

1/14/2020 9:03:10 AM

cjb

Plymouth, MN

Interesting site on the news organizations, bnot. Personally, I don't put too much stock in the left vs right bias call--some individual is making that call behind the scenes. Shifts driven by one side or the other in the discourse (AKA the Overton window) can also force what was a "centrist" position to appear to move to the right or left when it hasn't actually changed.

I think the more important metric is whether the reporting is factual. I lean left but trust the WSJ because they report the facts. If a news outlet is repeatedly dinged by fact checkers or too seamlessly blends their news and editorial reporting, you have a problematic entity.

1/14/2020 12:15:45 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

CNN took a hit this week after settling the lawsuit by Mr. Sandman. They took their liberal agenda too far and attacked a high school student, making unfounded accusations against him. Their true colors showed then. They will say anything to push their agenda. And now, several other "news" outlets are in the cross hairs.

We are supposed to have freedom of the press. But CNN and others think that it is freedom to oppress anyone who stands in the way of their political agenda. Truth doesn't matter to them. There are no more Walter Conkrite's that we can trust. They are just political propaganda machines.Both sides.

1/14/2020 1:50:07 PM

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