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bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

I am a Boomer, my 15 year old daughter is a Gen Z. We have many discussions about many topics. Joining debate in her high school was a wonderful thing. It has made her have to think on subjects of broader social impact. Fortunately, she does not look at things the same direction I do. Leads to some very interesting discussions.

She is surmising that when she reaches adulthood, that she will have a more difficult environment to start the rest of her life than the environment of the boomers.

Most of the people here that are posting are older and have started adulthood in different eras. Obviously, at certain time...things other than economic conditions were of more importance, such as the Vietnam War. From a strictly economic viewpoint, job prospects, earnings, cost of living etc....would you think it is better to start the year you started or to start it now?


12/29/2019 10:18:06 AM

MCPUMPKIN

Usa

Before the Saudi oil embargo(1973),,,hell yes.
Gas was $.75 a gallon or less.
College was relatively cheap.
I rented a house for cheap.
When I graduated high school the question was "Where don't I want to work".
Then it all got hard(globalist economics),because companies/investors/politicians, preferred profits over social/economic justice(i.e.Communist China slave wages)
Now employment/economy is getting much better,but could tank.

We worried about Nuke war,but knew there was nothing that could be done about it,so party on!

Cost of living,,,.
In 1985 we had two new cars,GREAT health insurance,and a small home. All affordable.
Non-union jobs, so less than average income.
Had to move from Detroit(1980), because it was economically/socially going to crap.

No wham bam pressure from unfair trade,that could wipe out entire mfg/sales/dist. industries.
No mass illegal invasion driving down the wage of tradesmen/small business.
Less people in the country,so less jobs competition.

My advice to her is simple. Go to college.Get into University.Get a degree(huge income difference).
Get a job there,,,AND NEVER LEAVE!
They seem to be the happiest people I have met.

If you do go out into the real world, make sure you have other types of education.
In case of tragedy(personnel or economic),you will have options.

STOP WORRYING!
We had a lot less bullshit media. And they had to be responsible for their writings.
So they did not pump out doom and gloom,and fake news.
Jobs:I would say there are more skilled jobs out there now.




12/29/2019 11:58:15 AM

MCPUMPKIN

Usa


Tangent.
No one owes you anything.
And other than your parents,you owe nobody.
Life is not fair,no matter what you have been told,or assume.
People will treat you like crap,because of what you like,because somebody that looks like you treated them like crap.(goes beyond race)
If you try to "hug the world", you will find that some of the world, wants you dead.

Learn self defense,because violence, in general society, is way up,and will keep going up.

On a emotional perspective,timeless at that,,,young folks can confuse physical drive, for emotional love.
If the "love train" leaves you behind,you may have made decisions, that will anchor you for the rest of your life(babies).
I have had many friends, that said they were "too smart to mess up",ending up raising children by themselves.

12/29/2019 11:58:23 AM

spudder

All eras have good and bad. Remember the busts, high unemployment, sky high inflation, people losing homes. The opportunities are still there, just different. Adapt or go behind.
Tell her to think about that pipedream that was sold to people. Freedom 55 is now Freedom 95 or when you die! But you know, there is a certain pleasure in working. For her generation though, I wish the corporations shared the wealth in wages a lot more equal.

12/29/2019 12:13:21 PM

spudder

All eras have good and bad. Remember the busts, big unemployment rates, sky high inflation, people losing their homes. The opportunities are still there, just different. Adapt or go behind.
Tell her to think about that pipedream that was sold to people. Freedom 55 is now Freedom 95 or when you die! But you know, there is a certain pleasure in working. For her generation though, I wish the corporations shared the wealth in wages a lot more equal.

12/29/2019 12:19:04 PM

spudder

Part of my post got wiped when I uploaded the first time.

12/29/2019 12:19:56 PM

Suburban Gardener

Western Washington

Your daughter seems awesome, Bnot! I wish her all the best in life!

I'm a Gen X'er here in the Pacific Northwest, and the cost of living here is way beyond crazy. It wasn't like this growing up here, to where gainfully employed people can never afford to buy a home, etc. Some areas of the country are much more affordable to live in, so I hope that she looks carefully before choosing where to settle down at.

I also hope that she prepares herself for a good paying career with a good health insurance plan and some sort of retirement savings plan. Otherwise, she might be living with you for a looooooong time, ugh! Community college for two years to help avoid large student loans, perhaps? Young people today have to make the right moves at the right time in order to be successful.

Good luck to her!!!!!!!!!!

12/29/2019 12:49:04 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

Thanks Dawn, My daughter has a place to stay here until I pass away...she will inherit it then. She no way wants to stay forever with me. And I think that is the right attitude. When I look at political platforms from my perspective and also look at it from her perspective i get different best choices. What is the future she is looking at. Many blue collar jobs will disappear because of automation. Even things like medicine are questionable...can a computer diagnose you at a higher percentage rate than a living being. College cost are outrageous. This election, I might not have a candidate that I like, I might vote for her.

12/29/2019 1:43:17 PM

Suburban Gardener

Western Washington

She would do a better job than most :-)

12/29/2019 8:03:19 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

A lot changed and a lot has stayed the same since I graduated from high school in 1972. We are still tied up in senseless wars, but now it is just volunteers fighting and the country doesn't seem to care anymore. There used to be plenty of good paying, union jobs, now there are low paying service jobs. The factory where my father worked 40 years and I worked 7 years is now a hotel and casino. No more building things, just taking people's money. Community college is still affordable, but a 4 year degree is terribly expensive. Inflation eased off, but savings doesn't earn much. We used to speak one language, but now we are bilingual,which divides the country. We were told diversity would solve all our problems, but they forgot that diverse and divided are nearly the same.

Like any other time in history,you don't know what the future will hold. But if you remain flexible,keep your mind and options open, you can adapt. As long as we maintain our liberty and individual freedom, we can survive. But if we give up those rights, let government run every facet of our lives, we are doomed. They will have their interests in mind, not ours. I hope future generations hold on to what has made America great" freedom.

12/30/2019 7:36:57 AM

roger80

Susquehanna Pa

What we don’t want is a dictatorship like Trump’s buddy’s Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un. They will have, not unlike Trump, their own selfish interest in mind.

12/30/2019 9:11:16 PM

roger80

Susquehanna Pa

I mean it is pretty obvious Trump’s approach to almost everything is “it’s my way or the highway”

12/30/2019 9:20:02 PM

Smallmouth (Team Ozark)

Missouri

Wow Roger, great input. Angry much?

I think every generation seems to think the next generation is in trouble due to changing attitudes, politics, and most importantly norms of the youth. I have 3 kids under 8, and can’t imagine how it’ll work out, but we somehow keep evolving with the changes. My biggest fear is technology is moving too fast for our population (automation etc) to sustain enough jobs. To answer the question, I was born in ‘77 and wouldn’t change a thing about my “start” date.

12/30/2019 10:52:42 PM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

I grew up in the early tech boom of Microsoft, living one town to the north. Gas price was low when I was a teen but if min wage goes up to $15 and gas stays at $3 purchasing power will be similar to now. The boom in Seattle is bigger. The early tech boom seems small by comparison. We look like Dubai.

12/31/2019 12:32:56 AM

cjb

Plymouth, MN

I'm a millennial (an old one) and I had it a lot easier than my parents did. Both grew up as part of big farming families. My dad served in Vietnam, came back and had a career in a Union job that supported our family comfortably and has allowed them to retire comfortably. My brother and I were able to go to college without being saddled down with debt and both are well off in our respective careers.

I'm hopeful for my kids because we are fortunate and should have the resources to help get them started in life. I'm concerned for society because I see fewer opportunities for people like my parents who start out with less in life. My parents and most of their boomer/gen X siblings are great examples of upward mobility. Today I see as many examples of folks sliding down the rungs than climbing up them.

People who choose the rural life have fewer options and often have to make do with less. Those who follow jobs to urban areas are often met with crushing housing costs. College degrees are required for a lot of jobs they didn't in the past so many have to take on debt for a shot at the middle class. Overall, I feel like people who were willing to work hard had a better chance of getting ahead in life a generation or two ago, while the current system is set up to support the families of those that have already made it.

12/31/2019 9:15:56 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Roger, what I I was referring to is all the proposals being put forward by a certain group of politicians. The ones who want government to control our health care 100%; no choices allowed. The ones who want to eliminate the 2nd amendment, as well as eliminate the un-enumerated rights like self defense that are guaranteed by the ninth amendment. The ones who denied people's voting rights and rigged their nomination process, and then blamed Russia and Donald Trump when Wikileaks hacked their computers and exposed their corruption. The ones who conspired with the media to rig the 2016 debates by giving Clinton the debate questions. The ones who lied to get a secret court order to spy on the opponent's campaign The ones trying to nullify our right to elect our government with an attempted coup.

Then you add that in with the freedoms we have already lost because of both political gangs. The freedom to travel can be denied by a no fly list without a person ever being charged or convicted of anything. Your money and property can be taken by police without due process by forfeiture laws. You can be spied upon because of the "Patriot" act. Eminent domain can be used to steal your land for private corporations. We have given up too much. We cannot afford to give even one more inch.

It is not just one person. The ones pushing hardest to enslave us are using Trump to distract from their agenda. It appears that a lot of people have been distracted.

12/31/2019 10:27:10 AM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

cjb, interesting observation that best starting era might depend on a persons economic starting position. I really think that upward mobility from a boomer start era to now was much easier. Then college was not a prerequisite for moving ahead. Now, it is being promoted in school..that college is needed just to keep above poverty line. Someone that does not have wealth from family, will be saddled with $10,000's of debt upon graduation. Upward mobility of those with median ability will be hampered for many, many years. Raising your children as a renter not by choice does not seem upward mobility.
It is easy to entrench in party thought.
Iowegian, Lets take a look at some of the "all" proposals and compare how they affect the different generations, and the different economic situation.

Many of the democratis proposals appeal to the Gen Z generation. It is not necessarily that they are right or wrong, but they match better the current station in life right not. Tonight, I asked my daughter to list issues that she thought were most important. She tried to fudge and say they were all related but when pressured to just pick three she picked College costs, Environment and Economy in that order. On 2 out of these three issues,the democratic proposals match her position better than the republican position. We can go down the list of issues...from Gen Z perspective, which party better matches the young person's position in life?

12/31/2019 6:36:57 PM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

I think environmental solutions should maybe come from the private sector... She shouldnt be politically worried about that one I dont see politicians on either side doing anything but talk. If we stop drilling/fracking some other country will double their output to meet our demand. The democrats have NIMBY solutions. Tell your daughter to study algae. She can get petroleum-level pay working for Chevron, fix the environment (eventually) and pay off her loans and help private industry come up with a solution. Once a solution exists then open the door to politics. Take this as lightly as possible but politics is for stupid jocks... she should stay out of politics and really use her brain... Thats what I would tell her.

12/31/2019 7:20:03 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

come on Glen...what kind of attitude is that. Don't think about politics..we will tell you how to vote. She is already telling me the first election that she can vote in. I think much of Gen Z is going to be politically active. I have no fear that she will use her brain. I will give what limited assets I can for her future. It is easier since she is an only child. Families of 3-4 are more difficult. I am certainly not going to distract her from thinking about the bigger picture.

12/31/2019 7:28:29 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Do we need to listen to young kids who have not experienced the real world when it comes to giving up freedom?

Seems like the democrats do. When it comes to repealing the 2nd amendment, their leaders are David Hogg and other high schoolers. They are using a 17 year old Swedish girl as their climate change leader, while trying to dictate how we live, travel, heat our homes, etc. Some democrats want to give 16 year old kids the vote. Of course, the have been indoctrinating them by the public schools for 75% of their lives.

That does not impress me at all. Sorry democrats, but you drove me away. If what you have to offer us is high school kids deciding our freedom, you have lost all credibility.

12/31/2019 7:34:17 PM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

I just mean we should not trust politicians to solve our problems but there are smart politicians I shouldnt have labelled them stupid jocks. That label only fits a handful of them. I am being stupid myself. Happy New Year and talk real science not just political science. My belief: The answers to the future are in real science.

12/31/2019 9:39:10 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

I think we do need to listen to them Iowegian...with the wisdom of age. When I mentioned David Hogg...my daughter said she had heard the name, but could not associate it with the viewpoint. When I said the name Greta..she instantly knew the last name. Can I fault them...from my daughters perspective....take on massive college debt to barely get above poverty level... separation of classes is getting worse. As far as environment...it is open for debate. I only have 10-15 years to go..hoping for the best. Someone that has 80 years left of life left..would like a clean environment. I am an exception...a boomer that skipped a generation with a Gen Z daughter. I see her perspective....not from two generations away. Stock market up..great for someone in retirement or close to retirement...means nothing to those that are yet to reach adulthood. Which generation are you making policies for?

12/31/2019 11:10:40 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

And Glen, I mentioned algae to my daughter. She already knew about the potential. The National Speech and Debate topic for Nov/Dec 2019 was

Resolved:the United States ought to eliminate subsidies for fossil fuels.

You cant win if your opponent can hit you with an unknown. I know she has researched both fossil fuels and the alternatives.

I think it would be easier to debate the side of removing fossil fuel subsidies and subsidizing alternate energy sources. The have to be able to take either side.

1/1/2020 6:15:50 AM

spudder

bnot, it sounds as if you have an open minded intelligent person to deal with. In my opinion a lot of young people are far more aware of what is going on than most of the narrow minded toe the party line people who confuse age with intelligence and maturity.
What is she good at, and be open to a good trade. I was talking to an old fellow who was in management at his company and for years he was telling young people who asked about what they should be looking at and he told them to think about a trade. He was very right, just look at the shortage right now.

1/1/2020 8:52:26 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Just remember that those highly impressionable kids spend several hours a day, 5 days a week, 9 months of the year having the ultra liberal agenda pounded into their heads. And as you get into the big universities you see just how they have young people brainwashed. My daughter was 29 when she enrolled at Northern Iowa and was shocked at what has happened. The so-called enlightened, diverse, inclusive young people have become intolerant of anyone that they perceive as not being 100% liberal. She was lectured by black students that she was not allowed to wear her hair in braids because it was appropriating their culture. No one bothered to tell them that braided hair was traditional in Nordic culture because that didn't fit their agenda. Her computer died, so I bought her a new one. The cheapest one that had all the features she wanted had a camo finish, and that was just fine with her. But she quickly learned that it got her labeled as a redneck, gun toting evil conservative.

Just look at the attitudes they are pushing. Both Hogg and Thunberg are angry kids. Intolerant of opposing views. Liberals tell us they want diversity, but they really want obedience to ideology. Look at how they started harassing republicans in public, chasing them out of restaurants. They are impressing that same kind of intolerance and hate on our younger generation. They are following the Marxist philosophy. Turn the country into a dictatorship of the proletariat, while brainwashing the proletariat so they don't realize that it is their communist leaders who are the real dictators.

1/1/2020 10:52:10 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

The last thing that the liberals want is open minded young people. They want them indoctrinated, unwilling to accept any opinion that doesn't toe the liberal line. And they want them to be angry activists. Intolerant. Aggressive. And unable to make logical decisions on their own. They teach them that if someone makes a logical argument against the liberal ideology, throw out logic and go straight to personal attacks. You can see it on this message board; bring out the name calling and insults. Just look at the liberals leader, Hilary Clinton. How did she try to counter arguments against her campaign? Call Trump's supporters deplorable. The democrats couldn't tolerate losing so they resorted to personal attacks. Russian collusion and so on. And the new crop of liberal wannabees are doing the same. 4 to 5 times every hour on TV I hear Steyer calling Trump a criminal, Warren calling him corrupt, Biden calling him incompetent. Their main message is just a stream of personal attacks.

No, we don't have wise, open minded kids. We have highly intelligent but impressionable, inexperienced young people who don't realize that the teachers they look up to have been feeding them a steady diet if propaganda. That is why liberals want 16 year old kids voting.

1/1/2020 11:20:19 AM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

My daughter has always leaned further left than me ever since we started to have higher level conversations. Part of that might have been because of attending school in a predominantly blue school district and being influenced by friends. This year we moved to a very red school district. It is interesting to me, when she tells me the differences in viewpoints between the districts.

As far as the schools pounding ultra liberal agenda...I don't see it that way. When my daughter has talked about her teachers, most do not expose or openly promote their political viewpoint. The few that have...were far right.

Spudder, I will just wait for my daughter to make her decision about career. She still has some time to decide. Trades are a great option for some kids. It is one that allows middle class living. My daughter is best in language arts. She has considered law, but is concerned about the over supply of lawyers currently. Her back up plan is teaching.

uh oh, what happens if she decide to indoctrinate the young minds...

1/1/2020 11:39:08 AM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

One day it will be their world to rule. Our old outdated ways will be history.

1/1/2020 1:42:29 PM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

Seems like if smoking and drinking is set at 21... then yeah military service and political bombardment should be set at 21 too. Young minds are more flexible and resilient than our old minds fortunately they do not get stuck in ruts as easily as you might believe. The left is stuck in a rut, just dont get stuck in a rut on the right. I presume you are consuming news from the 'king of right-wing' @ 80 percent of the conservative media market. Watch out be careful. I think f@& news can be a subtley hypnotizing substitute for one's own brain, also. Its designed to be a drug. I agree 100% Iowegian but remember that right wing media is also not entirely designed for your personal benefit... Its designed to hook you and make a profit. The news industry became the entertainment industry. Its unhealthy too maybe?
Back to bnot's post...

1/1/2020 2:33:14 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Agreed. One day the young people will rule the world. That does not mean that we need to let them screw it up before they are old enough to know better. We have enough trouble with screwy adults messing things up, without turning the kids loose with everything before they are ready. But anyone that we trust to carry automatic weapons and kill for us should be trusted with all adult rights and privileges.

1/1/2020 4:55:02 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

Interesting that you brought up news organizations. Driving on the way to do grocery shopping, I was discussing with my daughter, potential careers to pursue with a skill in language arts. Journalism came up. We discussed how news organizations now are not reporting news as much as trying to influence the direction of thought of public.

What has happened to journalism's professional "code of ethics". I learned that in 8th grade.

1/1/2020 5:43:04 PM

spudder

I do not think they are journalists anymore. These people are now hosts of opinion shows. Ethics are now replaced by "show me the money".

1/1/2020 7:36:18 PM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

Even with good communication do the laws of non-verbal communication apply? 90% of parenting is actions and attitudes and 10% is words? For better or worse they may learn more from who you are than any wise words. I find that wise words is hard enough but correct actions... feels difficult or impossible. Congrats on being a caring dad. I am guessing your kid can see this, even if you dont have perfect wise words. Probably 3 best words are still: 'I love you'.

1/1/2020 8:10:41 PM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

Even with good communication do the laws of non-verbal communication apply? 90% of parenting is actions and attitudes and 10% is words? For better or worse they may learn more from who you are than any wise words. I find that wise words is hard enough but correct actions... feels difficult or impossible. Congrats on being a caring dad. I am guessing your kid can see this, even if you dont have perfect wise words. Probably 3 best words are still: 'I love you'.

1/1/2020 8:10:55 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

Has someone at CNN been reading BP. This showed up on their site.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/02/opinions/young-voters-midterm-elections-solomont-glickman/index.html

It is listed as an opinion piece, but when I read it..I don't get the normal breakage of the 3rd core principle, fairness and impartiality, that has become much too common in news.

It caught my eye enough...because of relevance to this conversation that I looked up what the bipartisan policy center was about.

https://bipartisanpolicy.org/about/

I am somewhat interested. If you have time...take a read and tell me if you think it is a slanted piece.

1/2/2020 5:25:01 PM

Suburban Gardener

Western Washington

I just scanned the article. It seemed like a foo-foo piece that they put up to try to get more readers to visit their site. It reminded me of a few years back when the media kept saying that "Soccer Moms" were going to decide the election, even though I don't remember hearing any real numbers to support that opinion. (I am not a Mom, FYI.)

1/2/2020 7:51:23 PM

spudder

It has happened in other countries. Whether the youth will stay involved is another question. Although that mean evil anti establishment generation called the "baby boomers" could make a person think they might.
The young are not as dumb and uninformed as people think they are.

1/2/2020 8:02:01 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

Your perspective will be a bit different than mine Dawn, that is ok. This is a big country, will many different postitions life.

I looked more at the Bipartisan Policy Center. Founders were:

Tom Daschle, democrat SD
George Mitchell, democrat Maine
Howard Baker, republican Tennessee
Bob Dole, republican Kansas

Maybe, I can have hope, that there will be some politicians that can listen to another side to make the best choice.

1/2/2020 8:15:04 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

The thought has come up that the democratic party is manipulating the Gen Z thought...what is the possibility that the opposite is occurring...that the Gen Z generation is manipulating the democratic platforms. That article stated an interesting possibility...that the Gen Z is not yet stuck in a rut. What happens if the republicans move to a more environmental friendly platform. Environment is where Trump is losing much Gen Z support.

1/2/2020 8:34:29 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

Hypothetical thought..
From a maybe not a dumb Gen Z perspective...Trump is great for my grandparents 401k. They never have had as much money. 5 years later, My grandparents started to have medical issues. They were already over average life expectancy, but medicine has improved. Cost has gone up, but the treatments are available. Hmmm...what has happened to the family wealth. $50,000 for a heart stent, $8000 dollars per month for the last few years in a nursing home. None of those stock market gains moved to help my family. They all went to the medical industry.

Now, I am looking at trying to raise my young children, wondering how to pay rent, the land is polluted and the ground structure is compromised. Some said that global warming did not exist, and i did not know what to think. I wish they had errored the opposite direction.

Multiple ways of looking at things. I understand the Gen Z perspective.

1/2/2020 8:54:41 PM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

Trump wanted to buy Greenland. . . Pretty sure he believes in global warming. But he figures (probably correctly) there are more pro-jobs / low fuel $ votes than 'young idealist' votes. Hypothetical: If the democrats would stop their seige he could move to the center but he cant... He has to please his base or they will defect and side with the democrats against him. The democrats would have more success at smartly and smoothly turning Trump into a democrat rather than essentially forcing him to the right. Its a pretty messed up situation right now.

1/2/2020 9:46:30 PM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

I stated that wrong trump would really not flip sides, I mean that quite possibly more of the democratic agenda could happen if they played their cards better. I believe Trump might be a centrist if he was not under extreme pressure.

1/2/2020 9:59:55 PM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

Back to grammer school wow... try to read that like a modern human wrote it. I belong at the zoo.

1/2/2020 10:04:42 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

I got the gist of what you were trying to say Glen. Trump need to appeal to his core supporters. I think he would change his platform, if needed for a changing demographic. Unfortunately for the republican party, most of the Gen Z voters are yet to reach voting age. In about 2023 half of the Gen Z can vote. Based on early results, they are going to vote at a higher percentage than any other generation. In the next ten years...there are going to be less boomer votes (death) and more Gen Z votes, age over 18. Time to look at issues facing the youth.

1/2/2020 10:21:07 PM

matt-man

Rapid City, SD

not sure I have reached adulthood yet

1/2/2020 10:57:47 PM

North Shore Boyz

Mill Bay, British Columbia

Why do some of you guys twist and turn every posting or comment back to Trump, Obama and Hillary?? I don’t get it...

This topic board has become a waste of time and driving more and more growers away from the message boards, well done by a small over-posting group of you (actually only a handful of you are over-posters and seem to dominate this board)

Happy new year everyone, some of you need a new hobby.

1/2/2020 11:11:16 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

I am sorry North Shore...I have been trying to move it to more neutral viewpoint. I have noticed that on this thread...the hardcore Trump supporters, and the hardcore left supporters have yet to respond. If either respond, I might throw out an opposite unknown.

Matt...you will never reach adulthood.

1/2/2020 11:21:32 PM

North Shore Boyz

Mill Bay, British Columbia

Don’t be sorry bnot, my rant was not directed towards you.

I’ve got most of the other over-posters on ignore/block so I don’t usually see the unintelligent drivel that they constantly spew on here, but by accident I looked at the message boards today and was not signed in, so I was curious to see what the addicted over-posters were saying.

I regret that now, and regret posting my rant, but it certainly was not directing my rant at you Bnot.

1/2/2020 11:27:31 PM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

You want me to post less northshore? Ok.

1/2/2020 11:57:01 PM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

Northshore could join the conversation rather than being a poor sport.

1/3/2020 12:14:08 AM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

Thank you North Shore.....non-pumpkin related has become very political in the last 8 years I have been coming to BP. Lets use our brains..pumpkin growers seem to me to be quite above average intelligence. Entrenched in party platform is not using our abilities. Those that are currently elected, or those that have been elected in the past decade are not necessarily the best examples for the future. We learn about balancing of soil..what about balancing of society. If you are supporting party platform, even though you disagree with them...you are doing a disservice to the community..if you never disagree with the party platform..you are not thinking. 2020, lets rise to a higher level.

1/3/2020 12:25:03 AM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

Relax Glen...I peg you as a closet liberal currently swayed by republican rhetoric. I think in the future you can go any direction. I think that North Shore was referring to those that have yet to post on this thread..or have posted only one line. Unlike, North Shore, I appreciate those individuals. But, to respond in a good manner...would take me time. I have spent a small percentage of my time in life following politics. To respond at a reasonable level to someone that spends 1000 hours per year could be difficult. Maybe I will just wing it...is going to be far right or far left that I will have to respond to?

1/3/2020 12:51:37 AM

Suburban Gardener

Western Washington

I sincerely apologize for my badly worded post above, my click-bait and infotainment radar was set on overdrive and I over-reacted.

It seems to me that people on here care about what is going on in this country and the world. It's not easy to communicate effectively in these turbulent times, IMHO, and even less easy to know how to improve the situation.

Take care you guys!

1/3/2020 10:43:02 AM

Porkchop(team sLamMer)

Central NY

”relax glen, I peg you...” -bnot bob.....favorite quote of the year so far...

1/3/2020 3:36:39 PM

OLD-ROOKIE

NILES , CALIF

Northshores;
Maybe you can start grading us on our answers
I am ok with a c- you still get a deploma

1/3/2020 4:17:21 PM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

I don't know about the c- old-rookie, do you get docked for running without spell check...would you be satisfied with a participation ribbon?

1/3/2020 4:51:18 PM

G. Kins

Pirates of the Pacific

Lol Idk what I am bnot. I'm an old guy who can't adapt... The world belongs to the youth but they don't have as much power as they should. The left shouldn't be pushing an agenda onto them, but the right should give them more power. Its their future, and in terms of their future... My opinion probably doesn't matter much... and it shouldn't.

1/3/2020 9:29:16 PM

it is what it is

Streator ,Illinois

bnot, I to am a boomer second oldest of 5 boys , I am a father of 2 boys and a grandpa of 4. graduated in 1976,
started work in a glass factory 2 days later. started at a plastic factory in 79, got married in 79, bought a house same year and had to have 15-20% down and at 10 3/4 interest rate , worked 40 years shift work( not a boss) just retired in 2019 ,You ask would you think it is better to start the year you started or to start it now? Its a yes and no answer.
jobs - factory wise were good , pay was good 1 income,one of use had to raise the kids, seems like 2 incomes are needed now
buying a house -sucked lot of lean years
cost of living is always rising more in the bigger cities
technology has its moments but cell phones is the new drug of choice of this era , we had cb radios,
media is plain bat sh-t crazy now every thing is a crisis from weather to politics to naming generations
I do believe there is 90% more pier pressure now a days
Best of Luck from someone who wants to leave Illinois but the wife will not leave the grandkids
YOLO

1/4/2020 1:33:22 AM

bnot

Oak Grove, Mn

thanks Gene...I guess the only choice in life is to keep going. I was waiting for someone to mention the double digit mortgage interest cost. Or the years when someone started in a severe recession. When I discuss with my daughter, I really don't know if it was easier or harder when I started vs when she is going to start. Without knowing the future, it is is hard to compare past with future. All we can do is use our experiences to better advise the future generation. Your grandkids might appreciate you sticking around. Sometimes they might appreciate a grandparent perspective to tackle the unknowns of the future.

1/5/2020 2:21:18 PM

spudder

Almost every person I know that went through the great depression could not shake the effects.Then they went off to war. It shaped their lives to the end.

1/5/2020 2:42:16 PM

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