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G. Kins

Southwest WA

Cmon France! And let's not end up like France!

12/25/2019 9:36:38 PM


Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

You can understand why there is controversy over Notre Dame. Many people want it repaired and don't want to wait.It means a whole lot to the city and its history. But it is over 800 years old. It was in poor condition and was already undergoing renovations when it burned. The heat of the fire no doubt did major structural damage to the stone work. It might not be possible to save it.

And France has seen much more turbulent times than the USA. 2 world wars were fought on their land. The most we had were the attacks on Pearl Harbor, Midway, the Aleutians, a couple shells fired at the west coast and a few fire bombs sent by balloons. France had far more military casualties, and their entire population was subjugated by the Nazis. So if they have more internal strife than we have, I can sympathize. And they provided critical assistance that helped secure our liberty 240 years ago. We don't have that kind of excuses they have for the dirty back stabbing and cut throat politics we are going though now.

12/25/2019 10:37:13 PM

G. Kins

Southwest WA

I dont even know who owns it all I do know is Macron's words are as empty as an empty church. He says 5 years to repair? Lets be realistic about Macron! With Macron in power my guess is it will become a symbol of division or decay and eventually get razed completely. I am surprised that no progress has been made on it.

12/25/2019 11:10:19 PM

G. Kins

Southwest WA

I think the media stirs people in ways that are only self serving aka ratings. If you are out helping a neighbor then they dont like that... you are not watching what they want you to watch. Anyhow it felt good to help someone today. Guess I should have skipped surfing the news. . . I guess I finally get the meaning now of 'no news IS good news'.

12/25/2019 11:31:44 PM


"Have you ever wondered who actually owns Paris’ Notre Dame Cathedral?
While most might believe that the Catholic Church owns the cathedral, Notre Dame is actually owned by the French government.
Here’s the history, according to a Catholic News Agency report:
“Due to France’s laws regarding secularization, the French government owns all churches built before 1905, including Notre-Dame.
“The government lets the Archdiocese of Paris use the building for free, and will continue to do so in perpetuity. The Archdiocese of Paris is responsible for the upkeep of the church, as well as for paying employees.”
Wow, that is definitely surprising!"

12/26/2019 7:13:58 AM


It is far easier to sell the worst case scenario than to sell the good. Ratings are much higher for bad(all about profit) than for a story where some ambulance driver saves a life. How often do you see the same story being covered by host after host all night long and only when something else bad happens does the media move on. The seller uses peoples fears to make them buy.

12/26/2019 7:28:28 AM

Suburban Gardener

Western Washington

In the US and Canada, it's the disco adhesives that hold things together, something that is noticeably missing in historic buildings such as the Notre Dame :-)

Seriously though Glenoma, no worries, this country will never be France. We just don't have the palette for it here.

12/26/2019 12:28:37 PM


Plymouth, MN

For what it's worth, the Reims Cathedral was contemporary to Notre Dame and was shelled half way to oblivion in WWII. It has since been rebuilt with a mixture of contemporary and classic styling. I'm hopeful that Notre Dame will have a similar fate, assuming the structural damage from the fire isn't too severe.

12/26/2019 2:56:57 PM

G. Kins

Southwest WA

I wouldnt mind the palette part of being French. But the five years to maybe get something done, and seeming on the whole to not rise to the occasion... Thats the part that rubs me the wrong way. But its their history, not mine, so I shouldnt judge.

12/27/2019 2:46:47 AM


This is not your modern cookie cutter sterile building. Those buildings are works of art and hand made. Should not be difficult to understand what the restorers are dealing with. Trying to replicate that beauty with modern techniques just might not be possible and has to be done right. You do realize that it was started in 1160 and took about 100 years to hand craft. It is not your 12 week coffee shop being put up.

12/27/2019 5:05:51 AM

Smallmouth (Team Ozark)


Shifting demographics and politics in France, different priorities (mosques).

12/27/2019 8:44:24 AM

G. Kins

Southwest WA

I would imagine it took a hundred years of hard WORK and an extreme work ethic that has probably been lost. Sitting on hands for five years is not the attitude that got it built. It takes a week to set up a modern crane. If they were going to use ropes and block and tackle they would have have an excuse. If attitudes/values/demographics change thats fine but I doubt the French government represents the will of the French people. Their govermment acts like timid subjugators. Macron is an example of the castration of the willpower of a nation.

12/27/2019 4:27:17 PM


Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Stone with 800+ year old mortar. Nobody has the original blueprints, if there ever were any. It is very tall. You don't know where all the weak spots are, what new work could do to it. You don't just start tearing in. Even if it were re-built from scratch it would take several years. I am sure they won't be sitting on hands for 5 years. There will be lots of surveying. measuring with lasers, testing the existing structure, computer analysis, etc. No sense getting anyone killed or totally screwing it up by charging like a bull in a china shop.

12/27/2019 6:27:22 PM

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