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JABC (Jordan)

Kelowna, British Columbia

From an American perspective what do you think of the quarrel between our two leaders?
I'm sorta stumped by the whole thing. It is a little disheartening to read the comments on some news articles and see what some people are saying about Canadians as a whole. I hope that frame of mind doesn't spread.

6/10/2018 1:35:41 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

Trumps a Moron. Period!

6/10/2018 3:05:25 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

The media spent 8 years without being able to criticize the President, because that would have made them look racist. So they are making up for lost time going after Trump.

Trump also had the big summit with Kim hanging over him. There is a lot at stake there, more than at that G-7 meeting. He didn't mind letting the others know what was more important to him. He hurt their feelings, but if they are big girls and boys they will get over it.

He uses different strategy. He talks tough, then offers a way out. He slapped on tariffs, but then offered totally free trade. No tariffs and no subsidies. The others like to subsidize industries to undercut us instead of using tariffs. Just like the strategy he used with Kim. Told him that if he uses a nuke we would wipe him out. Kim blinked, asked for talks, then started making demands. So Trump called it off. Kim changed when he knew Trump won't back down and talks are back on.

The other leaders are learning that Trump won't give in to them just to get along. They are also learning not to make deals with a President who bypasses Congress. If Obama had negotiated the climate and Iran deals as treaties and got congressional approval. Trump couldn't have cancelled them. He won't go along with a bad deal if he doesn't have to just to protect Obama's legacy. They learned that if they want an agreement to stick, deal with someone who follows the constitution, not someone who thinks he can do it all himself.

6/10/2018 4:37:35 PM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

LMFAO! That was some real delusional bull!

6/10/2018 7:13:53 PM

Porkchop(team sLamMer)

Mohawk valley ny

Running out of click and paste retorts spuds?....don’t worry about the spin jabby..u guys are right up there with the Swiss and the aussies as far as I know...friendliest people on earth...this is global posturing meets art of the deal...pay attention though ...it’s a good lesson on global exnomics...(you know...if yer into that crap)....this is normally a story you wouldnt even hear much about but the old media guards are losing market value and have to WWF everything nowadays to get anyone to pay attention...I’m pretty sure the lawyers that represent your country are gonna butt heads with the lawyers that represent our country , pay themselves a buttload of money and we’ll end up with a trade situation very similar to what we have now...look at “nuking little rocket man.”.....they goin to lunch next week...it’s all a show while they spend all our money...I’m with iowegian On this one

6/10/2018 7:40:32 PM

North Shore Boyz

Mill Bay, British Columbia

Jordan, Most adult Canadians don’t care what Trump thinks or says, he’s a one trick pony who will be outed soon enough.

Right now, Canada is a National Security threat to the USA, so Trump is reverting to socialist protectionism practices because the rest of the world is so “unfair” and has treated the USA so poorly....

We can sell our lumber, forestry products, steel and aluminum to other markets that are begging for it.

6/10/2018 7:45:22 PM

TruckTech1471

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Without Trump, I never would have known that Canada levies a 270% tariff on U.S. dairy imports. I wonder what other shams Canada and others have against the U.S. Why not full and free fair trade?


You go ahead and hang onto that thought Glen. We here in the states are really liking our one-trick pony and his demand for fairness and justice. It's no small wonder Little Rocket Man chose to come out with President Trump after 68 years of isolation.


How many in the rest of the world are willing to credit him and admit that, when the U.S. does well, the rest of the world does well? I don't have any problems with Canada, but I do have a problem with socialist Trudeau and his back-stabbing posturing. Apparently, when Trump put NATO on notice with his no more free rides policy, the world didn't take him seriously.


How refreshing that an American believes in America first.

6/10/2018 8:44:38 PM

fisherray

rochester ny

What I am waiting for is for Trump to play hard ball with Putin, that will show what kind of balls he really has.

6/10/2018 9:17:29 PM

North Shore Boyz

Mill Bay, British Columbia

But Trucktech, be logical and dig deeper why there would be a massive Tariffs on dairy products entering Canada and other countries from the USA. Is it because the USA throws massive amounts of free money and subsidies to American farmers giving them an unfair advantage over other countries that do not subsidize farmers? Do a search on subsidies for American farmers and see the free money, subsidies, non repayable loans, grants, that American farmers get to keep them competitive on the world market. That is not free or fair trade, when a government subsidizes you so you can compete on a Global scale...it’s somewhat Socialist.

When a Country subsidies its farming sectors, that gives them an unfair advantage over Countries that do not provide the same subsidies to its farmers.

It’s he same reason we get taxed on our lumber and lumber products, because we subsidize the loggers and producers, making our p oduxts cheaper than other countries can produce them, therefore getting tariffs slapped on them.

There is always a logical reason for Tarriffs and Duties, so Canada’s clear imminent and imposing threat to American National Security, means Trump can slap a unilateral Tarriff on us, to make it fair.

You know, everyone treats you guys so unfairly.

6/10/2018 9:38:57 PM

Frank and Tina

South East

oh lord the fan boys are out again...

6/10/2018 10:49:07 PM

TruckTech1471

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Points well taken Glenn. Bottom line is free and fair trade without restriction. With the U.S. being the largest consumer nation in the world, it's time to put that leverage to work.

fisherray, no one scares a gutter-dwelling New Yorker. They tried to run him out during the campaign and he just beat them at their own game.

6/10/2018 10:51:17 PM

North Shore Boyz

Mill Bay, British Columbia

Agreed TruckTech, with free and fair trade, the USA & Canada would both reap the benefits and rewards.

6/10/2018 11:09:30 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

I'm glad I made you laugh, Spudley. Its going to be a long 4 years until you Hillary supporters get a chance to vote out Trump. You need a break from your misery. I voted for a loser too. I just know you don't always get your way and move on. Better than fussing and stewing for 4 years.

North Shore, Trump is not a socialist. He is a fascist just like the rest of our republiCANS and democRATS. Government conspiring with corporations. The farm subsidies aren't nearly what they used to be. When I retired from USDA, most payments were for conservation projects, requiring farmers to spend some of their own cash. Then there is CRP, which pays farmers to take land out of production, raising farm prices and making our exports more expensive. Does just the opposite of what you claim.

All the world leaders just need to grow up. The USA national debt and trade deficits mean we can't give away the store like Obama did. No more plane loads of cash to Iran to ransom hostages and make a bad deal on nukes. No more climate deals that put us at disadvantage. Trump operates differently. Obama thought he ran the show, didn't need congressional approval. He fooled the world. Trump showed everyone that doesn't fly. If you want to make a deal with the US, make sure it is done the right way like Trump will do. If Trump won't take a treaty to congress, don't trust him either. Because the democRATS will cancel it if they can just for spite, even if it is a good deal. Bunch of sore losers.

6/11/2018 12:24:43 AM

OLD-ROOKIE

NILES , CALIF

History making today; With Trump and North Korea

6/11/2018 6:03:13 AM

floh

Cologne / Germany

In Europe, Russia and Asia, sooner or later each and every country will probably make a cut with the U.S. after G-7.

You can behave like a hardliner, but not like a scumbag in front of international audience. Something Trump will probably not learn for the rest of his days as a president.

6/11/2018 12:10:32 PM

floh

Cologne / Germany

And thank you Mr. Trump for sending Richard Grenell as an ambassador to Berlin. He is as much liked over here as a fox in a chicken coop :-)

6/11/2018 12:19:23 PM

Glenomkins

Glenoma, WA

Personally I feel no ill towards Canadians or their government I think its much ado about nothing. And the only way this spat would make sense is if both Trump and Trudeau were women--I think they feuding like two women, which is interesting

6/12/2018 3:52:32 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Another thought about Trump playing tough with the G-7. It may have all been calculated to put on a show for Kim. He may have wanted to continue his act as a tough negotiator who won't be pushed around. If he is tough on allies, he will be tough with enemies. If that is what he was doing, it looks like it worked. Don't be surprised if this was all just for show and the other G-7 leaders were in on it. They are all smart people or they wouldn't be where they are. Maybe they were playing along to do their part. Or maybe Trump pulled one over on them and will let them know later. I'm just happy that the Korea talks are going well.

6/12/2018 9:53:44 AM

North Shore Boyz

Mill Bay, British Columbia

Oh sure Iowegian, our boy mildly protests an unfair protectionist tarriff on steel and aluminum hiding under a clause of “National Security” and declaring Canada a threat to that American Security is a joke. Then Trump turns around and disrespects Trudeau on Twitter for something that Trudeau said repeatedly to Trump face to face.

So you figure our boy said “go ahead and disrespect me on Twitter to make yourself look tough in North Korea” ya real likely.

Your leader is an online bully who can’t control his impulses when he is on the shitter and writes things down he won’t say to someone’s face....really buliding credibility.

Good luck with a Trade War America, you will be paying more for everything soon...then the crying will start.

6/12/2018 11:42:07 AM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

You might as well give it up North Shore you laid it out in a very logical and fact-based way when farmers are subsidized by the government they have an unfair Advantage so tariffs are in order to even the playing field but these guys will never get it they don't care. They're more impressed with the blowhard bully pulpit con job that Trump's good at he's a moron.

6/12/2018 12:34:10 PM

roger80

Susquehanna Pa

Well said Spudley!

6/12/2018 12:42:08 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

i just checked the FSA-USDA website to check what the current Loan Deficiency Payment rates for commodities in my county are. For every commodity listed, the payment is $0.00. That means that market prices are too high for farmers to get a subsidy. That would be true in just about every county in the nation. No unfair advantage there. It has been a long time since there were subsidies to cut the price.

There are conservation subsidies: cost share payments to help farmers install projects to protect soil, water, air, plants and animals. This requires farmers to spend a substantial amount of their own money. No export benefit there. The biggest benefits go to the public: soil to grow food in the future, cleaner water, less dust and greenhouse gasses, more fish and wildlife. Does nothing to exports.

Then there are the Conservation and Wetland Reserves. They pay farmers to take environmentally sensitive land out of production. The result: less production, higher prices, a disadvantage when it comes to exports.

The USDA subsidizes crop insurance and makes some payments when floods, droughts, wind, hail, etc, destroys crops. Those payments keep farmers from going broke due to disaster. And when there is a disaster, production is down, prices are up, exports suffer.

If you look up what the biggest item in USDA's budget is, you might learn something. It is food stamps. By far the biggest use of farm budget money. And what does it do? It helps hungry Americans buy food. And by buying more food, demand goes up, prices go up, making another disadvantage foe exports.

So who are you going to believe? A Canadian and a politically biased Alaskan, or someone who worked for USDA in Iowa for 30 years? Use some common sense here.

6/12/2018 3:58:06 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/agriculture/food-subsidies 2/3 of USDA budget is food assistance. Then take off the research, conservation, food inspection and other similar budget items, there is very little left over for subsidies. Then realize that USDA is a small part of the federal budget to begin with. A very small part of your federal taxes goes to farm subsidies. Less than a penny for every dollar. Then look at Trump's budget request for FY 2019. He wants to cut USDA. Don't believe all of the fake claims of the Trump haters. He is not giving much at all to subsidize farm exports and wants to cut that a lot.

6/12/2018 4:18:03 PM

TruckTech1471

South Bloomfield, Ohio

This is a wonderful non-biased explanation of what has Trump and Trudeau spatting and lays out Canada's form of support in the dairy industry and the U.S.'s form. I would encourage everyone to read it and form their own opinions based on it.

https://www.morningagclips.com/trump-puts-fresh-focus-on-canadas-dairy-system/

6/12/2018 7:47:43 PM

North Shore Boyz

Mill Bay, British Columbia

Good link Trucktech. Here is a good read too.

Wisconsin alone, produces more dairy and dairy products than all of Canada’s farmers combined...amazing.

But this link started about Steel and Aluminum, buy Ford & Chevy.

6/12/2018 7:59:58 PM

North Shore Boyz

Mill Bay, British Columbia

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-dairy-canada-20180612-story.html

6/12/2018 8:00:18 PM

TruckTech1471

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Actually, it started out as a question by Jordan from an American perspective. And to Jordan I would say this: Americans as a whole have favorable views of our neighbors to the north. Don't take everything you read or hear as a majority opinion, especially if it comes from a U.S.-based news source.

6/12/2018 9:05:12 PM

Porkchop(team sLamMer)

Mohawk valley ny

Or spudley....

6/12/2018 9:22:53 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Yes North Shore. Buy a Ford aluminum truck. They get the aluminum sheets from the Davenport (Iowa) plant. More jobs for Iowa.

6/12/2018 9:24:52 PM

floh

Cologne / Germany

I think for Canada and the US, you should better look for your own systems...

Some friends of our daughter did this "Working-Holiday- Visa" last year in both countries - which to my knowledge you can use till 35 years of age - and it was a catastrophe and nightmare for them. Bad jobs, bad payment, irregular cheques, no insurance etc.

This is nothing to recommend for "your countries". Sometimes you can win a loser job over in Europe, but basically things work pretty good in Germany.

Friend of our daughter said "better going Scandinavia with a good contract, job and payment than wasting my time in the middle of nowhere"...

So we have a big differences between the life and the points of view from other sides of the pond. You can always travel and have a look, but never expect the same. So with "international affairs", they don´t speak for the citizens when they gather....

6/13/2018 2:17:21 PM

floh

Cologne / Germany

BTW, the friends of daughter said "when it comes to work and craft issues, we never met such unreliable persons like in North America".

Hmmmmm...

6/13/2018 2:41:37 PM

Wolfpack83

central Nc

Floh, I'm also a US government retiree but lived in Germany for a few years.

Let me say I loved it there. No stray animals, cities are pristine, trains are on time, and BEER!!

However, it is irresponsible to compare Europe to the US. You are essentially criticizing personalities. I was born in a society where risk=reward. You are in a society where 'why should I take risk when there is no reward?' While I love the amenities of Germany, I think it is crazy to pay your tax rates and would prefer to use my take-home pay to create my own amenities.

But as for Trump, he doesn't speak for the vast majority of Americans and now that I'm retired I can say he is truly an idiot. Doesn't even understand Economics 101. But then again, Germany doesn't have the best record in the political arena the past 100 years....


6/13/2018 3:23:55 PM

floh

Cologne / Germany

Germany is not the "best" country in the EU. Payment is too low - if you are an electrician for example, you earn double in Norway - which is not even EU.
Globalism is not like everyone has the same position and the same money on his hands. Very difficult and not easy to compare.

6/13/2018 5:29:55 PM

MCPUMPKIN

Usa

LOL
Calling people names, for calling other people names,,,and being upset about name calling!!! lololo!
Not nice,,,not nice at all!!!
lolololol!

6/14/2018 9:32:34 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

If Trump is an idiot, what is Hillary? An amoeba? Someone who never ran for political office beat the wife of a governor and president, senator and secretary of state on her own. She convinced me, a 40 year democrat, never republican to switch to libertarian. She must be a special kind of stupid to do all that.

Doesn't understand economics? Lets see: stock market is booming, unemployment is at record lows. Maybe we need more people who don't understand economics.

Has it occurred to anyone that maybe Trump makes all these wild statements just to see the wild reactions? When he issued some pardons, the opposition and media complained, said he was going to pardon himself. So he announces he has an absolute right to pardon himself but doesn't need to because he didn't do any wrong. Some of his critics almost had a stroke over that. I bet he laughed his head off over their reaction. He is driving them nuts.

The democRATS said Trump would start a nuclear war in Korea. When they saw his tactic worked and he got peace talks, they were all sure he would blow it. When he criticized people disrespecting the national anthem and flag, they were outraged. Its a right to do that. Then when he has talks with Kim they complain he disrespected the flag by having it next to Kim's flag. They want it both ways.

I just hope both sides show how petty and disgusting they really are and drive more people to the Libertarians

6/14/2018 6:00:48 PM

Wolfpack83

central Nc

I'm definitely no Hillary supporter or Democrat, but would encourage all the hardcore supporters of either party to educate yourself before making outrageous claims. Basic economics is tariffs are bad for everyone. Period. And PLEASE no more garbage about employment and stock market. Trump has done nothing to affect either materially, just as Obama didn't. I actually attended classes in business school (unlike that presidential embarrassment) and work in finance. You have to separate yourself from parties and think for yourself.

6/14/2018 6:43:37 PM

Porkchop(team sLamMer)

Mohawk valley ny

Pretty sure our president went to hikeschool too there Wolfpack...I heard it was a decent school...but agreed , if you don’t know what you are talking about....

6/14/2018 7:54:37 PM

Wolfpack83

central Nc

Read carefully now. I said ATTENDED class, not pay for them.

6/14/2018 8:13:36 PM

Wolfpack83

central Nc

Sorry I stumbled on this trump love fest. I'll stick to the growing forums. You can all rest easy though. NO NUCLEAR THREAT.

6/14/2018 8:16:06 PM

Smallmouth (Team Ozark)

Missouri

lol! The anger in this thread is amazing.

6/14/2018 8:39:53 PM

Porkchop(team sLamMer)

Mohawk valley ny

Well there ya go then...

6/14/2018 9:27:22 PM

Porkchop(team sLamMer)

Mohawk valley ny

And YOU should look at the SCiEnce of basic economics...

6/14/2018 9:30:21 PM

big moon

Bethlehem CT

"USA throws massive amounts of free money and subsidies to American farmers giving them an unfair advantage over other countries that do not subsidize farmers? Do a search on subsidies for American farmers and see the free money, subsidies, non repayable loans, grants, that American farmers get to keep them competitive on the world market. That is not free or fair trade, when a government subsidizes you so you can compete on a Global scale...it’s somewhat Socialist."
You are right Glen, it is socialist! I don't think it really helps when the government interferes. Everyone needs food to eat, there is a "real" market for food. The prices should dictate themselves with natural supply and demand. There is so much money being thrown around it is ridiculous. I went to a seminar where they taught how to apply for some of this free money from the federal and also state government. The end result is it still favors large farms and the little guy is still left behind. I say do away with it all.

6/15/2018 7:51:54 AM

big moon

Bethlehem CT

There are just a few dairy farms left in the town I live in. Back in the 70's there were more cows in this town than people! Farmers who are in the Cabot cooperative (the local bulk milk processor) recently got there checks in the mail along with a suicide prevention pamphlet. The prices that farmers are getting for their milk are so low, a few farmers have committed suicide in response to the hopelessness. This is not a rumor, my neighbor is a dairy farmer and he confirmed this to me. Something isn't right with the current system. Like I said everyone needs to eat!

6/15/2018 8:02:15 AM

26 West

Swamp Hoggers Paradise

You are absolutely right, big moon. That is why the govt has a milk marketing board, so dairy farming is sustainable in Canada. Without the board imports would destroy the dairy industry in Canada. Jim

6/15/2018 8:21:43 AM

MCPUMPKIN

Usa

Canada subsidizes also,,,

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/top-50-report-on-business-the-funding-portal/article19192109/

And these are only 50 of 500+ . How bout dat???

But,like every day,I pay MY way. No G7,no Trump,no Trudeau.

6/15/2018 8:30:29 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

big moon, do you know what the conservation subsidies really do? They do not give farmers a competitive advantage. They do the exact opposite be taking land out of production, cutting the total crop and raising prices. They provide about the only habitat left for pheasants, quail and other wildlife in several states. They keep the water clean. They keep sediment out of road ditches and waterways. They require farmers to invest large amounts of their own money to make sure we will have soil to grow food in the future. So if you want a country with no game animals to hunt, fewer fish, poorer water, increased taxes to clean out road ditches and lakes and rivers, cut conservation subsidies.

Yes, conservation subsidies are socialist, like social security, public roads ans schools and police and fire protection, the weather service, parks, etc. Do you really don't want to end all socialism?

The crop insurance and disaster subsidies ensure that small farmers can remain in business. It keeps the big corporations from buying up all the farms after disasters strike. Do you want to depend on 3 or 4 large corporate monopolies to control the food supply? Do you know what that would do to food costs? Or would you rather have hundreds of thousands of small farmers competing and keeping your costs low?

Congress is working on a new farm bill. One senior senator it working to try to limit subsidies to actual working small farmers, Republican Chuck Grassley. He has done this for many years. But one party keeps on pushing for subsidies to benefit the big corporations, rich investors, absentee landowners,. It is the fascist democRAT party.

Wolfpack83, is the big tax cut nothing to affect the economy? Really? Do you know who started this idea of tax cuts to stimulate the economy? John Kennedy. And my major in college was business too.

6/15/2018 8:32:53 AM

Wolfpack83

central Nc

Iowegian, I need data to confirm any stimulus, not a history lesson. The market has been on a roll since 2009. Further, it has been hurt with all the tariff talk lately. Essentially where we were 6 months ago.
Porkchop, since this is essentially about economics, I'm sure we would all love to be educated further about the science of it. Please elaborate.

6/15/2018 10:03:00 AM

Porkchop(team sLamMer)

Mohawk valley ny

It's science Wolfpack....yer born with it...you can't teach science...

6/15/2018 10:41:33 AM

Wolfpack83

central Nc

lol. fair enough. At first I thought why in the world are we talking about this on here? And then I remembered how stressed I am watching gourds stop growing and fall off. nice distraction!

6/15/2018 10:59:10 AM

Spudley (Scott)

Alaska

So I'm curious what do you all think of the NRCS program?

6/15/2018 1:21:34 PM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

Wolf, just look at all the companies that announced pay bonuses hirings, etc. tight after the tax cut passed, stating that was the reason why.

Spudley, I was with SCS/NRCS from 1983 to 2013, and things changed a lot. It went from strictly technical assistance and assisting state and ASCS cost share programs, to being more regulatory. Enforcing erosion control and wetland regulations. But all we could do was tell them they screwed up, give them a chance to get in compliance, or they lost subsidies. We got real involved in Conservation and Wetland reserves, which are great. EQIP is dollars for conservation which is great. Iowa supplies state money and loans for conservation. We also worked with the Corps of Engineers on watershed projects, and protected several bridges from flood damage. Then they started moving to a new program to reward farmers for past work instead of doing new conservation. It was so repugnant to me I forgot the name of it.

We did great things. We improved one stream to the point that endangered mussel species came back. We totally protected our county lake, and they are just completing a dredging and habitat project. People can fish in the small 7 acre lake I designed for sediment control until the main lake recovers. We reduced flooding in one town. We restored lots of eroding streams and damaged wetlands. The public got way more than their money's worth from us.

Bush Jr. tried to privatize our jobs, but no one bid on them because they couldn't do it as cheap. Instead of hiring to replace attrition, he hired private engineers. They screwed up most of what they touched for 5 times the cost. The one good thing Obama did was to put a stop to that.

6/16/2018 1:08:16 AM

Iowegian

Anamosa, IA BPIowegian@aol.com

The best thing about NRCS is the way they partner with local conservation districts and state agencies. I was lucky to be in a county with varied soils, terrain and farming operations. I never got bored with the variety of projects. I even worked with some investors who used the programs to benefit themselves and the public. One bought a farm next to a state wildlife area. He enrolled everything he could in CRP. I designed a couple wetland restorations. Others in my office worked on tree plantings and native prairie. Then he sold it to the state at a real cheap price, keeping the CRP payments and taking a big tax write-off. The state got a big addition to the wildlife area complete with wetlands, trees and prairie cheap. More wildlife and recreation for the county. It was a win-win-win situation all around. We did lots of work to cooperate with the state, county, cities, private citizens on a voluntary basis. If someone didn't want to cooperate, no pressure. There already was more demand for our services than we could provide.

6/16/2018 1:20:50 AM

Wolfpack83

central Nc

Iowegian, I enjoy hearing your perspective on our ag programs. I believe they are the most complicated policies we have and still am making my mind up on everything. It's tough to argue against as a conservationist, but also tough to support out levels of spending as a fiscal conservatist.

6/16/2018 8:45:52 AM

big moon

Bethlehem CT

Iowegian no doubt, we do need to be socialist in some areas. Most of us would never be able to see the ocean or the grand canyon etc if we didn't have it open to us through state and federal parks. I am sure there are lots of areas that subsidies and government interference are beneficial to the majority. I just think spending has gotten out of hand and it is upsetting to see how people abuse and take advantage of the programs that are out there. Why should the government be responsible for buying farmers there greenhouses? Which the NRCS has been doing for many years with a program they have. Granted, I would probably feel differently about the program if I had one of those greenhouses. Everything is a trade off, the more of something someone gives you the more you are indebted to them, you give them more power to dictate how you do things. It is always a trade off.

6/16/2018 8:49:37 AM

big moon

Bethlehem CT

The way many government grants work is that the money allocated in certain areas needs to be used up. All the way up. So the agencies are always looking for farmers to apply and hopefully use up all the money available, Or else next year it will no longer be available. So if you are a government employee responsible for reviewing these applications, who would you rather work with? The big farmer who can gobble up half the money in one project or fifty smaller farmers. Processing fifty small grants is a lot more work than the one big one. Common sense says the big grant will be favored.

6/16/2018 8:59:29 AM

big moon

Bethlehem CT

Iowegian, I am definitely not an expert on this stuff, I am just letting you know how I feel about what I have seen. We probably will not come to any agreement on this topic. I appreciate your many years of service to the government, farmers and the land.

6/16/2018 9:06:04 AM

fisherray

rochester ny

I use the NRCS website all the time to follow snow pack in the mountains for driving and camping in high elevations and stream flow for trout fishing. I am sure this is not the part of NRCS you were talking about spud but it's a great tool to have.

6/16/2018 9:55:12 AM

Windy City

Alberta


https://www.realagriculture.com/2018/02/u-s-dairy-subsidies-equal-73-percent-of-producer-returns-says-new-report/

9/27/2018 2:11:09 PM

Windy City

Alberta

The fighting between them will stay Jordan , the only thing those two leaders have in common is they like to grab women without permission to do so. Maybe if the sweeping stuff under the rug was a team sport..they could hold each others broom handles and head off into the sunset...hopefully soon

9/27/2018 2:18:06 PM

North Shore Boyz

Mill Bay, British Columbia

Canada should stop negotiating, if Trump can’t just stop lying. How do you negotiate a fair deal for multiple parties, when one side is an uninformed compulsive liar.

http://fortune.com/2018/09/26/trump-says-he-declined-a-meeting-with-trudeau-canada-no-meeting-was-requested/

9/27/2018 5:47:58 PM

Tazman

Connecticut

Ooh, Trudeau's spokesperson said " No Meeting was requested". Must be true. We all know How honest that teams been.

9/28/2018 8:31:17 AM

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