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Saturday, April 27
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Late on my Diary, but was too early into the Dirt. This is my Rookie Year growing AG's. I've already learned much from many mistakes but thus far I have three plants fresh from the seed looking good. This was from early March, couldn't wait to get started so since it was snowing I built the cold frames.
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Saturday, April 27
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Cold frames were fun to build, I do not have soil cables, so I'll be going old school with warmed gallon jugs of water. Next year's budget will include cables. This year's was spent on Soil Amending.
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Saturday, April 27
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Few shots of the patch prior to amending, It measures 15 x 38. It was a garden grown for a long time many years ago. Its original dimensions was 12 x 20. The top half was new and very heavy clay. I added a ton of organic matter.
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Saturday, April 27
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Another shot prior, with the reason I started growing pumpkins 3 years ago, he's now 2, was born in March, so I'm hoping my first year growing AG's will provide him the biggest pumpkin for Halloween.
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Saturday, April 27
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Making sure he learns early on :)
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Saturday, April 27
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after adding, store bought top soil, mushroom compost, manure compost with peat moss, got a call that said free compost just bring some containers, lol so I brought just a couple.
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Saturday, April 27
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budget spent for this year, next year will get a tiller, and soil cables. This fall will compost and cover crop. Patch is done, all I can do is wait and watch the weather.
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Saturday, April 27
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Seeds were started on the 22nd, Earth Day, I used cardboard pint containers. I turned them upside down so the lid becomes the bottom and cut a slit down the side for easy removal. I then placed them in large zip lock storage containers and used the sun to warm them during the day, and gas heater with a blanket for separation at night. 3 days and they popped. I got lucky, no soil temperature readings or chambers, just a hunch the temp would be close to where it needed to be.
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Saturday, April 27
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My star pupil. My two plants will both be 2012 (1408 Kline) 1566 Rodonis X 1404 Bryson. An unproven seed for an unproven grower. I have 2 backups both from Holland, can't remember weight roughly 600lbs (1200 Holland x 1725 Harp) I will self or cross depending on whats available.
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Thursday, May 2
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In the ground today, no problems with the transplant.
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Thursday, May 2
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with no electric heat lets see how these do this month. Forecast shows nothing below 40 at night with a the next few days having sun.
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Saturday, May 4
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So I couldn't kill off one of the backups and had no one to give it too, so here hopes it grows me a nice carver.
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Sunday, May 5
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Finally put a thermostat in both houses, at 65 degrees with full sun it was getting up over 95, I had to cut holes to vent. I made them to air tight lol.
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Monday, May 6
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With no electric heat this is how I'm prolonging the heat for my plants, They have been in the ground 4 days now and the growth has slowed down considerable so I started this idea last night. We'll see how it works.
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Monday, May 6
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Photo of the other 1408 kline, more my reference than anything.
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Monday, May 6
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I'm thinking sunburn, the last few days have pushed the cold frame above 90 and its been quite humid inside. Possibly the cold nights also? Any ideas appreciated.
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Wednesday, May 8
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In the first week outside I learned my cold frame in direct sun gets up over 100, creates a humid enviornment in my clay soil that easily causes over watering and grows fungus and fruit gnats. I'm about 50/50 on thinking this season will be over by this time next week. The good news is it happened early enough I can grow tomatoes yay lol. This photo is of the First Kline 1408.
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Wednesday, May 8
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This is the leaf on the vine, it was burned and also shows signs of over watering. With the rain in the forecast and temps below 30 this weekend I have to keep in covered and dont' think I can dry the soil and rememdy the problem, the last 3 days the plant keeps looking worse each day.
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Wednesday, May 8
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This is the second kline, the Damage to the vine leaf is more pronounced on this one. I learned for next year I either need to start in bigger pots and let them grow more indoors before going out, don't attempt to go early without heating cables, and plastic is the devil for cold frames, use the fabric that breathes. Oh and over watering is my fault. Well we will see what the next week brings, but its definitely not looking good. Oh well, ya live, ya learn, ya wait another year to try again lol.
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Monday, May 13
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What's that peeking through the window, why that's a second chance. Once again thank you Frank for the plants.
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Monday, May 13
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And introducing the 1319 Bouch. My hope is one of the 1408 Klines prove to be stronger than I was stupid. And this will take the place of the other. Frank's pumpkin was a really good looking pumpkin, and it was grown from another nice looking pumpkin, I'm really excited about this plant. Thanks again Frank!
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Monday, May 13
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The potted backup....should of staggered it better, live and learn. It has been named the "dream machine" container growers look out!
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Monday, May 13
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1408 Kline possible "come back kid" time will tell. Anyone looking that little heater was at walmart 13$ only 200 watts and kept my cold frame above 50 at 28, used a blanket to cover the frame because I modified half of it with frost blanket to allow it to breathe.
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Monday, May 20
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What a difference a week makes. Come back kid it is, you can really see the difference the warmer weather is making on the new growth. Note to self next year, harden your plants "mo betta". Transplanted another plant this week and same discoloration with in 2 days, my assumption is transplant shock. But no where near as bad as this one.
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Monday, May 20
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All this business in the middle has me concerned, that seems like a lot of new growth in a small area......but what do I know.
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Tuesday, May 21
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Here's the potted "dream machine" What I can't figure out is how this one is doing so well, but the ones in the patch, including the new transplant struggle more, coloration of leaves etc. Get the same water treatment and fertilization. Possibly the soil in that old tub warmed quicker?
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Tuesday, May 21
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Oh yeah, personal reminder, 1319 went in Saturday the 18th I'll post a photo on its one week for reference. I'm thinking next year if I decide to do two I'll extend the patch lower and plant back to back in the middle and let them share heating cables...Just a thought.
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Monday, May 27
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sigh...
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Tuesday, May 28
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A shot of what I believe to be downy....waiting for confirmation.
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Tuesday, May 28
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one of the, if not, the newest leaf showing same symptoms, should be noted this appeared rather quickly 48hours or less on this new leaf, older leaf would say close to a week.
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Tuesday, May 28
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wrong photo for above, use this one.
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Tuesday, May 28
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Found this even after spraying last night when I came home from work at 7 a.m. right on the newly formed vine....
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Tuesday, May 28
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Found these on top the soil after spraying bayer advanced....
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Friday, June 7
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So fixing the problem was a difficult process that included.......doing nothing. I watered twice on two hot days last week, and I had to train the vine to do a 180. I had to remove one leaf stem and a tendril. I mentioned concern about growing down a hill and I think I found something to watch out for. The vine on the "dream machine" grew so fast its weight kinked and cracked. I'm sure it will heal, well this problem could occur easier on this one so I've been mounding dirt under pressure points to avoid it. Lots of rain the last 2 days, and looks like more in the coming weeks.
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Monday, June 10
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Just under 6', this time last year I was just putting plants in the ground. Like I've said I've grown the last 3 years for my son. First year I thought how cool it would be to grow his first pumpkin, so I did, then I decided to make it a tradition, and I'll do it until I'm not longer able. Last year someone smashed his pumpkin and it angered me. Which lead to me to want to grow him the biggest pumpkin in town, which lead me here today. Funny how things work out.
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Thursday, June 13
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Sitting about 7' feet showed up right before the storms started yesterday. I measured 9" of main vine growth through the storm and two secondaries touched down. So far its been a very wet and "cooler" June. I had no damage from the storm, thankfully. No for father days this year I'll take another foot of main vine growth this weekend please.
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Thursday, June 20
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Second female emerging from the main tip. 1 day before summer officially kicks off. The First being at 8' and really not liking its positioning, coupled with the fact I have the node before it covered has me disliking it. It still has not opened, and I have yet to have a male open. I'm thinking I'll see some flowers this weekend. The second female would touch down around 12 or 13 feet depending on this weekends growth. I'll try and pollinate both, but I already have my bias. The second would land right where I envisioned it preseason and I would of plenty of vine to work with.
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Thursday, June 20
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June 20th to show a one week difference.
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Saturday, June 22
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Got switched back to first shift, and there's some OT being offered this weekend, and I just can't pass it up, this Pumpkin stuff is expensive and I only have one main with a second for a carver at this point. More than likely the 8' will open Sunday, and that means I'm going to be tired with the extra work and lack of sleep. But I don't half ass my hobbies so.....looks like I'll be getting up extra early at some point in the next 3 days to pollinate a pumpkin I hope gets culled......hmmmm seems illogical. Funny thing is I hope to someday have a lot more land so i can grow more of these....really seems illogical. but the real reason I'm posting is, main grew 8" today and looks like the second female will be at 13'. Also first male flower will definitely open on the "dream machine" tomorrow. I decided after its main vine split, and the inability for plants to grow in the lower portion of my "patch" I dug a whole and stuck the whole 3' x 3' tub right in the ground and gave it to the "dream machine" it looks "pressured" right now, from the split but a female just appeared in the tip at about 10', no many secondaries on this plant and I believe its due to the split. One last note, concerned about male flowers on the 1408 Kline not opening in time for the first pollination attempt, if so I will use the flowers from the other to cross.
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Sunday, June 23
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1st female at 8' opened today had one male available. For this reason I've decided to stop burying nodes and will not pinch off female flowers on the secondaries until I'll get one set. 2nd will open at a little over 12', not 13' like I figured. My guess is Friday or Saturday morning. 4th male of the season will open tomorrow for sure, I'll refrigerator it for 24hrs just in case, but I can't see it opening sooner than Friday. Temps have been upper 80's since the weekend and the plant has been flagging after 10' out.
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Wednesday, June 26
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It's that time of Year! Photo was from last year, not allowing bees to do my work for me this year :)
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Wednesday, June 26
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Here's the possible pollination 8 feet out, day 4 I believe, I honestly don't care what happens to this one... Like I said I hate its positioning, location in the garden, etc.
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Wednesday, June 26
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I want this one badly, right where I pictured a pumpkin before the season began, I started to coax the vine to position it better. I decided not to cut anything until I know the pollination, if and when it happens, took. My plant is only sitting at 13' and it will be a small plant compared to most so I don't want to cut something I may need, the next female is already past the tip and will land around the 14ft mark and will open in roughly two weeks, with this one opening in 4 or 5 days. So if this one doesn't land, I want the next one to not suffer because i cut things around this one.
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Thursday, June 27
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Today, one week later.
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Friday, June 28
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Thursday the female was showing some yellow, signs of opening was near. Woke up 5:30 to check, was completely yellow but decided it wouldn't open today, 6:30 about to leave for work and its about 1/8th open, ran to the house to grab my males, was rushing at this point, can't be late for work. Tore the hell out of the flower but didn't damage the lobe. did a quick cover with a tarp, its been raining every day here in PA for the last week. Get home from work, the tarp blew over, the flower being ripped broke through the tie off and had an inch of water in it. I just laughed, straighten the vine out and will try the next one at 15'. Oh the 8' at day 6 quit growing, or extremely slowed down, its not dull but its not exactly shining either. Not really concerned for reasons mentioned in previous entries. Side vines have been putting on some serious length with the main slowing down. Concerned about the need for fungicide and to get in there and start burying vines, but with the rain everyday all I can do is stand aside wait and watch, I did cut some tertiaries yesterday. Side note, the two males from the Kline had barely any pollen, was forced to use some from the "dream machine" which at this point the crack in its main vine didn't terminate it, but really hampered it. After I get one set on the Kline, I'm 99% I'll pull it, but for now its acting as a flower factory.
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Sunday, June 30
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The main vine heard me talking about it slowing down and decided to grow a foot over night, this is my next big hope and it will land just over 16', not 15' like I guessed. I wish I had more knowledge to guesstimate when this will open, I will say my hope is Thursday at the earliest, seeing as I'll have a 4 day weekend. If it's earlier I'll have to rip it open again before work.
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Tuesday, July 2
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5 X 7 tarp is up covering my "next great hope", she definitely will not open tomorrow, and I'm extending the forecast to Friday the 5th, with a possible chance of pollination Thursday morning. I've been spending way too much time on the weather channel. With 30% chance of rain both Thursday and Friday, I'll take it. Speaking of rain just walked in from burring vines and got dumped on. Makes 12 days straight of rain I believe. I covered 4 males that will open tomorrow, which has me bummed but looks like I should have 3 freshies for the next day. Also looks like one of the secondaries will open the same day so I will have two attempts, not a fan of its positioning as it will be very visible and very tempting to the neighbor kids.
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Thursday, July 4
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Happy 4th to everyone!!!! The "Next Great Hope" is yellowish today but I'm not confident she will open tomorrow. The secondary will definitely open tomorrow and is code named "Boogan". As she will be a target for neighborhood kids all summer if she ends up the keeper. She has great positioning other than being at the edge of the garden, and facing up hill which would be extra stress on the stem. Healthiest looking female to date. I'm wondering why the "Next Great Hope" fell behind when she was ahead of "Boogan" by a day. I'm thinking back to before the summer of endless rain began and I remember the plant flagging past 10' and I'm starting to think this maybe the cause, along with my decision to tarp the female a few days earlier. Well time will tell, I'm hoping she matures throughout the day and opens tomorrow as the forecast for an early morning pollination looks great, coupled with the fact that Saturday will be the one day in the past 7 I don't have a fresh male available. When in rains it pours, but it can't rain all the time :)
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Friday, July 5
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1408 Kline x 1408 Kline Secondary 10' AKA "Come back Kid X Come back kid code named "Boogan".
Looks like 3rd main attempt at 16' will open tomorrow, the next main has been out for a few days has a football shape and I'm guessing is a week away.
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Friday, July 5
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One week difference photo. My last one for the season, as you can see 15 x 38 just isn't wide enough. Boogan is at the top next to the green tub, and tomorrows is under the temporary rain tent at 16' looks like my last main attempt in a week will be at 20 or 21 feet.
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Saturday, July 6
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This photo sums up the morning. Side note: less than two days ago I posted I wasn't worried about bees because I have not had any for weeks, back to that later.
Set the alarm for 5 a.m., big pollination attempt day. poured a bowl of Wheaties, I didn't eat them they taste gross, was just trying to get into the mindset. This is game seven of the world series, 4th quarter of the super bowl, shoot out for the Stanley Cup all rolled into one. THIS IS WHAT WE PLANT FOR! So I walk out all groggy, with the plan to just take a look then walk back in a wake up before getting the job done. I notice all 7 male flowers, and female flower, all covered by the way, are partially open. Much like Xmas morning when I was a little kid I'm up too early. So I walk back towards the house, and then out of nowhere appears that dog for the "Sandlot" its a half pit bull mix that is pregnant or just had a litter and chases me into my house. A year ago I had this street to myself, this year "boogans" everywhere!! So I do what any man would do run up stairs and stare out the window...Half hour goes by, roughly 5:45 and I want outside so I go to the door and open it, 100 yards away this thing hears me and starts coming back, so I man up and run into my Jeep...at this point I'm loving the fact I have 7 fresh males covered because carrying males around with me would of just made it all that much better. So I drive around back and approach the patch from the south, seems to have worked but flowers still saying not yet. Fast forward I decide to uncover the secondary attempt from yesterday.
It has been tied off and covered with a sandwich baggie since the deed was done, also spent the sunny part of yesterday with a white towel over it. I rip the tie off and start peeling the flower pedals back and hello squash bee. I just laughed and thought you know what, that bee deserves his prize. So not knowing when he got in, "Boogan" is now an Open. I go back in the house and decide to wait till 7 a.m.
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Saturday, July 6
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so at 7a.m. flowers are ready and I take a look. 5 lobes, but deformed, the little white thingy that I think is supposed to go in the little knobby thingy is on the outside of a lobe. Used 5 fresh males and tried not to damage the little white thingy, but it did break, needless to say I'm not confident this one will stick. I read you need to pollinate all segments, we shall see.
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Saturday, July 6
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So introducing. at a weight of less than a pound, hailing from 16' on the main vine a 1408 Kline X 1408 Kline attempt number 4.
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Saturday, July 6
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wow, storm outside is really bad, I hear hale and the wind has to be 50 plus, no way I get unscathed from this....will report in the A.M.
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Sunday, July 7
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15 yards from the patch.
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Sunday, July 7
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Right next to the patch, within feet of the bottom.
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Sunday, July 7
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40 yards from the patch.
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Sunday, July 7
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Damage to the patch. I lost one secondary to a roll up. Last night I went out and it looked bad, everything was rolled up, sunflowers bent in half, leaves all knocked down facing the wrong way. Everything fixed itself this morning except for the 9th secondary down, and lets just say I got lucky. Here's the Main attempt at 16' 1 dap. Another secondary at 12' will open tomorrow,, with the last main attempt looking at Wend or Thursday.
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Monday, July 8
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Pollination attempt 5, and another 5 lobe. Opposite Side, second secondary about 12' out right on the boundary with the neighbors yard. #6 will be same secondary as "Boogan" 4 feet down the line tomorrow, and it looks like #7 will land Wends the 10th, which is my Birthday, 20' on the Main vine, #8 looks to be same day, 6 or 7 secondaries down. I've decided after #8 if none of them stick, I'm leaving it up to nature. I need some sleep :)
The main at 16' looks to be the strongest contender to date on day 2. My opinion on "Boogan" is its aborted, its one day younger and smaller but still shinny. But, come Wednesday I'll have 6 attempts all active, so I do have some hope left in me.
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Wednesday, July 10
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Getting better at this predicting thing, opened on my BDAY as planned, however was not ready before I left for work so I had to do open flower surgery, 5 fresh males picked the night before, was the first 4 lobber of the season. I did pollinate a 6 lobed female on the side vine this same day. These two are my last attempts of the year. Boogan aborted, main vine at 16' still active, plus 4 other attempts. 5 flowers with pollen in them, 5 days old is the oldest, with one done today as the youngest. This time next week I'll know if I'm going to have anything or not, fingers crossed.
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Wednesday, July 10
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Main vine at 20' with 4dap at 16' in the background.
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Thursday, July 11
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16' main vine attempt from 7-6-13, so far the fastest grower out the gate. 12" around. Came home today noticed the cracking near the wound. That wound was done way back when the flower was pea size, I'm assuming the rain and humidity refused to let it heal. I had no choice but to get some sand under it to relieve pressure. I'm hoping she heals and this is my pumpkin this year. I'll be honest, I feel like its more wishful thinking. Pretty young to be dealing with this already lol. If anyone see's anything I should be doing let me know :)
Side note, I have her a little scar when putting sand under her, dear self if your reading this its 2014 and your an idiot, this is a reminder to handle with care.
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Sunday, July 14
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Finally some sun! Hoping to hit a decent 10 day number, but if she keeps I'll be just as happy. 2 days, and I'll post, but looks like she's a slow grower, maybe this sun will prove me wrong. In other news, 3 out of six side vines took, but we are getting a "heave wave" this week. My roots look pretty shallow so I culled everything, they weren't growing very well and were on side vines. The birthday attempt was 6" on day 4 so I axed her. There is one more that will open tomorrow, or Tuesday. So I decided to lift my self imposed ban, and will pollinate it.
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Monday, July 15
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So heard a rumor someone planted a bunch of pumpkin plants up on the hill owned by the paper mill, its a pain to get to, and is basically a waste site miles from town. Friend and I set out on the mountain bikes to find it, and we did. probably 30 or 40 plants, none looking that great, barely any flowers at all. I'm talking 6 or 7 total combined. Also there was literally thousands of sunflower plants, most had the tips chewed off by deer. Pretty awesome to see.
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Monday, July 15
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So I decided to see what a year of reading garden knowledge from this site and others has taught me and I started to look around, I quickly discovered this. I believe its mosaic virus. Thankfully its a few miles from my plant. I found some yellow vine disease as well. I was trying to locate a female flower to check the fruit as viruses show up in the fruits, as I learned from this site, but there was none. Flowers were hard to find. Back to my Kline 1408, big 10 day measurement tomorrow. Will post results after work. Little spoiler alert, she's growing slowly but steady.she's almost perfectly round. Day 5 to day 8 she was doing 2 a day, day 9 she did 4.
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Tuesday, July 16
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26 inch circumference for my 10 day.
Update, received multiple emails regarding the photo above, which I thought was mosaic. Nope, pretty normal for that type. Learning something everyday. This is a great community, quite rare for the internet :)
Back to the 1408 Kline, what you see is what you get, the vine can not be positioned better than it is, it is very very stiff and I know it will snap If I try any harder. In its current state there is not much slack, but some is present. That is second on my watch list, I've decided should I have too I'll axe the main vine to relieve pressure but that seems weeks away, maybe?
Number one on my watch list is, squash bugs, I found two yesterday and sprayed bug be gone that night, so I'm on the look out for eggs and bugs.
I'm down to all my eggs is this yellow basket, I'm curious to see what color it will go, its nicely shaped if that matters or not :)
Side Note, 6pm day 9 21.5 inches, 3 pm day 10 26 inches. 4.5 inches in less than 12 hours.
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Sunday, July 21
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15 DAP, 52" CC. Growing great no problems thus far, Squash Bugs and SVB's out in decent numbers, has me on edge. Also getting attention from unwanted spectators has me on edge as well. Started a new hobby to coincide with this new hobby, wine making, house smells like crap lol. First two batches are Strawberry watermelon, and strawberry nectarine.
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Friday, July 26
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Day 20, 172 Ott with 71 CC. Slow and steady, my perception is she's slowing down not ramping up. I really haven't kept track of measurements other than on here every 5 days. So I'll do another OTT Saturday and Sunday at the same time and try and get a picture of what really is going on.
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Saturday, July 27
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Day 21. 179 ott. 74CC, 54, 51. 14lbs.
Also stump was getting soft with two cracks. Thought possible SVB invasion, cut it open, nobody home. Sprayed with bleach solution before the rain and covered. I'm thinking if I put in the effort I can keep the stump for another 2 to 3 weeks if luck is on my side. The first cut was a biggun lol.
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Sunday, July 28
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Day 22: 78 57 52 187ott around 19Lbs. More rain than was needed yesterday and last night.
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Wednesday, July 31
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Day 25 Ott 208, CC 87.
Last 5 days 19 19 19 18 15, it's really cold and unusual summer weather not expecting much for the rest of the season, Plant is starting to age, stump problem etc. At this point I'm super happy to even have a kin with the weird weather this year, but I'm hoping to reach 500lb, Lets hope that 15 was an anomaly and I get some 25lb days, if not I'm still happy, at least I'm growing :)
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Friday, August 2
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Reference for next year. PM showed up today. Also found a SVB larvae in a leaf stem all the way at the top right under the leave. Turned the leave completely yellow, rest of the secondary seems fine. Fighting for every pound this point forward.
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Monday, August 5
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Day 30: 100 CC, 239 OTT.
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Monday, August 5
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Day 30: 100 CC, 239 OTT.
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Friday, August 9
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First he covers some secondaries.
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Friday, August 9
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Then gives his pumpkin a hug.
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Friday, August 9
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The he severs the main vine. Kids :)
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Saturday, August 10
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Day 35: 110, 75, 70 = OTT 255.
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Thursday, August 15
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115 80 75 = 270 OTT. More PM showed up lost 25% of plant to date. Been really cold late September weather.
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Tuesday, August 20
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120, 84, 78 = 282. Broke 500lbs which was my goal, powdery is winning the battle. Gave up for a day, but recent weather forecast I decided to go out and get more fungicide and why not try and hit 600lb. This will be my last OTT measurement for the year, 120 is my tapes limit so I'll track the over measurements to see if she's still growing.
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Sunday, August 25
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Day 50, floating around 550 estimated. Great weather, but weight is really slowing. 600 est is almost a certainty, 700 is possible depending on how long I can keep the leaves semi-healthy. Also starting to ugly up. Skin is starting to wrinkle just like the 1408 Kline looked.
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Friday, August 30
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Day 55: Estimating just under the 600lb mark. The day after my day 50 post she took a dive in her growth. We have had excellent weather but it wasn't helping. It's so slow it's hard to get a daily measurement so I'm pushing it off until day 60. This photo is the dad in me winning over the grower side of me. I decided to let this open live and will become his "normal" carver that every kid should have. Don't tell him but its nickname is "decoy" You can also see what happens when you lose the middle of your plant, weeds just took right off and I'm not about to go trample the ground to get them, they are code named "early pre post season cover crop". Last few weeks have been fun, found photo's of the kin on Facebook, coworkers send me photos of themselves next to my patch after I forbid them to look for it, its all in good fun. The neighbor says when I'm at work people stop and "take photos of the stupid thing likes it's the G#D D#@N Washington monument". proud to say its the biggest this town has ever had, but I just smile and tell them she's still a baby compared to whats out there.
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Wednesday, September 4
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OTT: 305 130, 90, 85. Used a string for the CC, not really comfortable on how accurate it was but gives an estimate I guess. No real news other than still fighting PM, and growth as I mentioned has really gone down to a crawl, looking like 5lbs a day.
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Sunday, October 13
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Shortly after my last post growth was almost no existent.
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Sunday, October 13
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Pulled most of the plant about 2 weeks later.
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Sunday, October 13
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And all done for the season, estimated around 650lb, very happy with the results for my first year.
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Sunday, October 13
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Starting of the new patch for next year, Dana and I will be planting 4 plants in 2400sqft.
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Sunday, October 13
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Patch measures 60 x 40, manure and leaves going in soon and will cover crop with winter rye.
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Sunday, October 13
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The tractor did the first till and the last till of the season will be this week. On the look out for Big N Orange for her, and Big N white for her son. Any leads greatly appreciated.
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